Is World Peace Possible?

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Re: Is World Peace Possible?

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Sculptor1 wrote: July 30th, 2022, 3:19 am
Nick_A wrote: July 29th, 2022, 10:36 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: July 29th, 2022, 4:54 pm
Good_Egg wrote: July 29th, 2022, 4:46 pm
But it's not necessarily bad to start with everyone throwing out ideas as to what the words mean to them, and then in the light of that evolving a more rigorous and well-defined statement of the problem and the competing ideas of where a solution might lie.
Except that the post originator has said:
Peace then refers to the quality of the human heart and freedom from corruption.

Which is easy.
Is it really that easy? Buddha remarked that life is suffering. Does this mean that peace is impossible for man? From the OP:
"The combination of these two facts — the longing in the depth of the heart for absolute good, and the power, though only latent, of directing attention and love to a reality beyond the world and of receiving good from it — constitutes a link which attaches every man without exception to that other reality.

Whoever recognizes that reality recognizes also that link. Because of it, he holds every human being without any exception as something sacred to which he is bound to show respect.

This is the only possible motive for universal respect towards all human beings. Whatever formulation of belief or disbelief a man may choose to make, if his heart inclines him to feel this respect, then he in fact also recognizes a reality other than this world's reality. Whoever in fact does not feel this respect is alien to that other reality also." ~ Simone Weil
If man were capable of this power of attention then perhaps he would not judge value by the earthly standards of might makes right but become capable of experiencing human conscience or our connection with universal values that always existed? Granted it is only a potential man is capable of consciously evolving towards. As we are, The Great Beast lives by might makes right assuring that the reality of suffering must deny peace.

But at least now I know why we are crushed. The human condition leading to the loss of conscious attention can have no other result but the cyclical repetitions of war.
easy yes.
If suffering is ubiquitous then one has only to accept that.
You can suffer in peace, or suffer in stress. That is a choice.
You've left out the third option: conscious suffering. Suffering in peace or in stress are mechanical reactions. Conscious suffering is what Christ did on the Cross. The higher parts of ones essence observe and experience the lower parts suffering. This creates a tension inviting the Holy Spirit to resolve from a higher conscious perspective.
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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Nick_A wrote: July 31st, 2022, 9:30 am
Sculptor1 wrote: July 30th, 2022, 3:19 am
Nick_A wrote: July 29th, 2022, 10:36 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: July 29th, 2022, 4:54 pm

Except that the post originator has said:
Peace then refers to the quality of the human heart and freedom from corruption.

Which is easy.
Is it really that easy? Buddha remarked that life is suffering. Does this mean that peace is impossible for man? From the OP:
"The combination of these two facts — the longing in the depth of the heart for absolute good, and the power, though only latent, of directing attention and love to a reality beyond the world and of receiving good from it — constitutes a link which attaches every man without exception to that other reality.

Whoever recognizes that reality recognizes also that link. Because of it, he holds every human being without any exception as something sacred to which he is bound to show respect.

This is the only possible motive for universal respect towards all human beings. Whatever formulation of belief or disbelief a man may choose to make, if his heart inclines him to feel this respect, then he in fact also recognizes a reality other than this world's reality. Whoever in fact does not feel this respect is alien to that other reality also." ~ Simone Weil
If man were capable of this power of attention then perhaps he would not judge value by the earthly standards of might makes right but become capable of experiencing human conscience or our connection with universal values that always existed? Granted it is only a potential man is capable of consciously evolving towards. As we are, The Great Beast lives by might makes right assuring that the reality of suffering must deny peace.

But at least now I know why we are crushed. The human condition leading to the loss of conscious attention can have no other result but the cyclical repetitions of war.
easy yes.
If suffering is ubiquitous then one has only to accept that.
You can suffer in peace, or suffer in stress. That is a choice.
You've left out the third option: conscious suffering. Suffering in peace or in stress are mechanical reactions. Conscious suffering is what Christ did on the Cross. The higher parts of ones essence observe and experience the lower parts suffering. This creates a tension inviting the Holy Spirit to resolve from a higher conscious perspective.
There is no such thing as "christ".
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Sculptor1 wrote: July 31st, 2022, 11:20 am
Nick_A wrote: July 31st, 2022, 9:30 am
Sculptor1 wrote: July 30th, 2022, 3:19 am
Nick_A wrote: July 29th, 2022, 10:36 pm

Is it really that easy? Buddha remarked that life is suffering. Does this mean that peace is impossible for man? From the OP:



If man were capable of this power of attention then perhaps he would not judge value by the earthly standards of might makes right but become capable of experiencing human conscience or our connection with universal values that always existed? Granted it is only a potential man is capable of consciously evolving towards. As we are, The Great Beast lives by might makes right assuring that the reality of suffering must deny peace.

But at least now I know why we are crushed. The human condition leading to the loss of conscious attention can have no other result but the cyclical repetitions of war.
easy yes.
If suffering is ubiquitous then one has only to accept that.
You can suffer in peace, or suffer in stress. That is a choice.
You've left out the third option: conscious suffering. Suffering in peace or in stress are mechanical reactions. Conscious suffering is what Christ did on the Cross. The higher parts of ones essence observe and experience the lower parts suffering. This creates a tension inviting the Holy Spirit to resolve from a higher conscious perspective.
There is no such thing as "christ".
If there is no Christ it means there can be no conscious evolution. You are destined to remain a creature of reaction and a typical representative of the Great Beast since there is nothing to evolve towards. Mechanical evolution along with other beasts, is your potential
Man would like to be an egoist and cannot. This is the most striking characteristic of his wretchedness and the source of his greatness." Simone Weil....Gravity and Grace
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Nick_A wrote: July 31st, 2022, 1:28 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: July 31st, 2022, 11:20 am
Nick_A wrote: July 31st, 2022, 9:30 am
Sculptor1 wrote: July 30th, 2022, 3:19 am

easy yes.
If suffering is ubiquitous then one has only to accept that.
You can suffer in peace, or suffer in stress. That is a choice.
You've left out the third option: conscious suffering. Suffering in peace or in stress are mechanical reactions. Conscious suffering is what Christ did on the Cross. The higher parts of ones essence observe and experience the lower parts suffering. This creates a tension inviting the Holy Spirit to resolve from a higher conscious perspective.
There is no such thing as "christ".
If there is no Christ it means there can be no conscious evolution.
You do not half talk rot.
They they are the Chinese; been culturally evolving for thousands of years.
You are making a fool of yourself
You are destined to remain a creature of reaction and a typical representative of the Great Beast since there is nothing to evolve towards. Mechanical evolution along with other beasts, is your potential
LOL
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Nick_A wrote: July 31st, 2022, 9:30 amYou've left out the third option: conscious suffering. Suffering in peace or in stress are mechanical reactions. Conscious suffering is what Christ did on the Cross. The higher parts of ones essence observe and experience the lower parts suffering. This creates a tension inviting the Holy Spirit to resolve from a higher conscious perspective.
Actually, people engage in conscious suffering all the time. Another name for conscious suffering is exercise.

It occurred to me a few years ago (about forty years too late) that, if we do not suffer in a controlled way then we will suffer even more, and in an uncontrolled way. That is, if we don't exercise we suffer from more ailments. The same could be said about eating healthy foods, work or morality.

We make sacrifices in the present as an act of kindness to our future selves.
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"World Peace" quickly ends up as "peace for me and my political affiliation, but not for anybody else's".

I don't think it's possible for 7,000,000,000 humans to be selfless, when not even a few can manage to be so.

Selfishness is the rule of Humanity, not the exception. So, no, "world peace" is not possible, and a very young, childish delusion.
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There can be no world peace without better philosophy.
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Wizard22 wrote: August 1st, 2022, 5:10 am "World Peace" quickly ends up as "peace for me and my political affiliation, but not for anybody else's".

I don't think it's possible for 7,000,000,000 humans to be selfless, when not even a few can manage to be so.

Selfishness is the rule of Humanity, not the exception. So, no, "world peace" is not possible, and a very young, childish delusion.
Depends on what you define "peace" as. Many would figure that since the opposite of peace is war, that world peace means the absence of wars (between countries), not that every individual on the planet is getting along.
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