What is the meaning of All life?

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Re: What is the meaning of All life?

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kaleido wrote: October 19th, 2022, 5:22 pm He solved nihilism. The solution to nihilism is the Eternal Recurrence and the Overman.

He doesn't reject morality. In fact he even wrote an entire genealogy of a morality and made a book about it. He only rejects "transcendental" moralities (or "transcendental" objects, whatever they may be).

As for Wittgenstein, I'm just merely "proving" that there are no proofs in real life (lol). You can't positively prove with 100% certainty anything in life. Hence objectivity is an illusion. Logicians, however, have a hard time understanding this.

You tell me "Morality has an evolutionary origin"... I tell you everything has an evolutionary origin! And Nietzsche knew that!
Eternal recurrence is a pseudo religious belief akin to reincarnation but with a side order of pre-determinism. It strikes at the moral significance of what we choose to do - as if it's what we were always going to do, and what happens over and over anyway. It's immune to rational analysis - so we can just leave that be.

But Nietzsche did not solve nihilism. The Overman embodies nihilism. But as previously stated, the overman could never have evolved, because his character would not allow that he survived to breed, to raise young, to perpetuate his existence. Characterised by his will to power - he is what's left when all social and human obligation have been dismissed. So he would not have fought for the tribe, shared food, protected his offspring at risk to himself, and so could not have evolved. By Nietzsche, this is an abdication from the question - what do we owe to eachother? A question posed by evolution, that our survival answers. This is the origin of morality.

Perhaps you have forgotten where you came in on this - it was in response to my assertion that Nietzsche identified - but failed to understand the true nature of the 'transvaluation of values.' For Nietzsche, the Overman was man in a state of nature. Primitive man who's virtues were strength and savagery. Nietzsche goes on to argue that the weak fooled the strong, and inverted moral values. But that's incorrect because human beings evolved; not as rugged individuals, but in tribal groups that necessarily had social and moral obligations toward eachother, or they could not have survived.

These groups then joined together to form multi-tribal social groups; and this was the real transvaluation of values - from values inherent in kinship and social relations, to explicit moral codes justified with reference to God i.e. Moses and the ten commandments. This is religion: an explicit expression of the innate moral sense ingrained into human beings by evolution; expressed as a form of social contract between hunter gatherer tribes. All I'm saying is, Nietzsche was wrong about everything!
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The overman is a relative concept. Elon Musk today is an overman.

You did not understand Nietzsche.

Slave morality and master morality conflated with Christianity (but not in ancient Greece) and those are the values he wanted to revaluate!

You are mixing a lot of Nietzsche's concepts and ideas and of course none of it makes sense. But that's because you did not read him properly.

You should read his Twilight of the Idols again. It's short and should point you in the right direction.
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kaleido wrote: October 19th, 2022, 8:33 pm The overman is a relative concept. Elon Musk today is an overman.

You did not understand Nietzsche.

Slave morality and master morality conflated with Christianity (but not in ancient Greece) and those are the values he wanted to revaluate!

You are mixing a lot of Nietzsche's concepts and ideas and of course none of it makes sense. But that's because you did not read him properly.

You should read his Twilight of the Idols again. It's short and should point you in the right direction.
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Re: What is the meaning of All life?

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Sy Borg wrote: October 13th, 2022, 4:24 pm
Samana Johann wrote: October 13th, 2022, 4:12 am If yours feel fine with being just part of an endless circle of birth, aging, sickness, death, killing, hurting, separation from beloved, unity with disliked... than maybe simply neither remembering, nor aware of how food comes about, and maybe also not imagine that painfully just ending up, being used off as food. Sure all just me-ning-full. It's hard for Brahmas and princes in current ease, to not only overcome pride but also seeing the first Noble Truth, suffering. There is little change that yous might remember told, when falling out of current blessed states.

And yes, the Brahma-viharas, are at least for a good while a good release, or even a good inbetween destiny toward unbound, yet not developed wisdom, end of merits, deep down again, as unskilful hasn't abound yet.

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One can be accepting of growing pains, or one can see them as catastrophic.

I am very happy to be part of it all, and so should you. You could have easily never existed. Rather, you have this brief period of existing, of having agency, and what you do is a tiny contribution to an extraordinary evolving edifice.

Life certainly isn't easy, and sometimes utterly awful, but the potential for things to be much easier lies within it, with the evolution of intelligence. I find it all awe-inspiring and it's humbling to be part of it, especially being part of its ostensibly most intelligent and influential tranch, ie. humanity.
Does good householder thinks it makes sense to go on with, if one, cutting into his own flesh, that of others, says that he's happy with it, and others should be like wise. There are some able to, at least, imagine those having end all harm.
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We experience feelings and thoughts. Meaning must be a different category if even it exists.
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Samana Johann wrote: February 7th, 2023, 7:40 am
Sy Borg wrote: October 13th, 2022, 4:24 pm
Samana Johann wrote: October 13th, 2022, 4:12 am If yours feel fine with being just part of an endless circle of birth, aging, sickness, death, killing, hurting, separation from beloved, unity with disliked... than maybe simply neither remembering, nor aware of how food comes about, and maybe also not imagine that painfully just ending up, being used off as food. Sure all just me-ning-full. It's hard for Brahmas and princes in current ease, to not only overcome pride but also seeing the first Noble Truth, suffering. There is little change that yous might remember told, when falling out of current blessed states.

And yes, the Brahma-viharas, are at least for a good while a good release, or even a good inbetween destiny toward unbound, yet not developed wisdom, end of merits, deep down again, as unskilful hasn't abound yet.

metta & mudita
One can be accepting of growing pains, or one can see them as catastrophic.

I am very happy to be part of it all, and so should you. You could have easily never existed. Rather, you have this brief period of existing, of having agency, and what you do is a tiny contribution to an extraordinary evolving edifice.

Life certainly isn't easy, and sometimes utterly awful, but the potential for things to be much easier lies within it, with the evolution of intelligence. I find it all awe-inspiring and it's humbling to be part of it, especially being part of its ostensibly most intelligent and influential tranch, ie. humanity.
Does good householder thinks it makes sense to go on with, if one, cutting into his own flesh, that of others, says that he's happy with it, and others should be like wise. There are some able to, at least, imagine those having end all harm.
Young simian, I'm not interested in cutting flesh. Is that an interest of yours?
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