Information and Conscious Experience

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Re: Information and Conscious Experience

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Please do some research on how our consciousness operates.
Do some research on what firing synapses are
All words are expressed as decibels angstroms firing synapses
10011100
All an expression of vibration
On off on off off off on
Dot dash dot dot dash
Morse code a BINARY PROCESS
Name one method of communication that is not expressed as vibrating…
Now PHILOSOPHICAL——
“I think therefore I am”
A Singularity consciousness (1) In a universe of nothingness (0) as
Firing synapses vibrating energy consciousness a
Everything is a product of definition of this vibrating energy.
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godblog wrote: January 17th, 2023, 11:32 am All communication is BINARY -

Everything you see is ANGSTROMS vibrating energy
Everything you hear is DECIBELS vibrating energy
Everything you think is firing synapses vibrating energy

Example - all computer communicates using the Binary system
10011000
Every word in any language is an expression of vibrating energy which is a PURELY BINARY PROCESS.

Nothing can exist without the binary processing necessary to give meaning to every thought.
Are you just going to carry on posting this incomprehensible text until someone responds? Have I done the rest of us a disfavour by responding, when I should've ignored you? I'm not sure. But until you come up with a way to express yourself in terms that others can understand, you will get no meaningful replies.

Over to you.
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I have supported everything I say using evidence logic and reason.
You want people to just take your word for what you think life is.

Once again if there is anything you disagree with let’s discuss it.
Obviously you have not supported anything you say with evidence logic or reason…. I’m waiting…..
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godblog wrote: January 18th, 2023, 10:53 am I have supported everything I say using evidence logic and reason.
I'm sorry, new friend, but that is not so. You have asserted things that no-one can understand.

You have asserted that sound = decibels, when the decibel is used (only!) to compare a sound-level (volume, in everyday parlance) to a reference value. For example, -6 dB (applied to voltages or currents, not to power) tells us that the measured sound amplitude is half that of the reference value.

You have asserted that light ("Everything you see") is angstroms, when the angstrom is just a measure of distance; like a mile, but an awful lot smaller.
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Basically Einstein had it all along- yet physicists still don’t get it
Everything is subatomic electromagnetic energy … our consciousness rested and communicates our existence as a singularity consciousness (1) in a universe of nothingness (0) by vibrating at different frequencies
Everything we see angstroms
Everything we hear decibels
Everything we think 10011000
VIBRATING ENERGY.
Our singularity consciousness on the realization of its existence started vibrating every thing we imagine is just a creation of our consciousness in an attempt to make our boring lonely existence a more enjoyable experience.
Forever because energy cannot be created or destroyed it just keeps expanding and changing form
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I would suggest that the people reading this, need to look at life more than just “skin deep” LITERALLY.
Understand the true nature of atoms for example. Perceived as subatomic particles, they actually are a perception of subatomic electromagnetic energy NOT PHYSICAL.
Consciousness and atoms are not physical.
Our existence is that of consciousness creating a perception of a physical reality using vibrating energy
Everything we see is angstroms vibrating energy
Everything we hear is decibels vibrating energy
Everything we think is consciousness vibrating energy
We are creating this physical perception in order to make our existence as a singularity consciousness (1) in a universe of nothingness (0) a more enjoyable experience by vibrating.
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Gertie wrote: December 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm Consciousness can be talked about as a form of Information Processing.
Consciousness is not a form of information processing. It is however needed for information processing. Consciousness to me is the awareness of the surrounding.
Gertie wrote: December 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm For example, our physical sensory systems receive physical stimuli from the environment  (perhaps photons hitting an eyeball), and somehow our physical neurobiological systems manifest an image of a tree.
The question is how neurobiological activity can lead to consciousness.
Gertie wrote: December 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm That seems like a fairly straightforward understanding of the functionality of consciousness as information processing.  Somehow our brains translate or encode physical processes into meaningful representational /coded conscious experiences which we can understand and act on.
There are a few problems that you are skipping, 1) How can the information process lead to consciousness?, and 2) How can consciousness be causally efficacious? The first problem is known as the bottom-top causation and the second problem is the top-bottom.
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Bahman wrote: February 12th, 2023, 11:15 am
Gertie wrote: December 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm Consciousness can be talked about as a form of Information Processing.
Consciousness is not a form of information processing. It is however needed for information processing. Consciousness to me is the awareness of the surrounding.
Gertie wrote: December 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm For example, our physical sensory systems receive physical stimuli from the environment  (perhaps photons hitting an eyeball), and somehow our physical neurobiological systems manifest an image of a tree.
The question is how neurobiological activity can lead to consciousness.
Gertie wrote: December 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm That seems like a fairly straightforward understanding of the functionality of consciousness as information processing.  Somehow our brains translate or encode physical processes into meaningful representational /coded conscious experiences which we can understand and act on.
There are a few problems that you are skipping, 1) How can the information process lead to consciousness?, and 2) How can consciousness be causally efficacious? The first problem is known as the bottom-top causation and the second problem is the top-bottom.
Yes I agree.

I'd say that ''information processing'' can work as an abstract functional description of what conscious brains do. But that's different to an explanation of the relationship between brains and conscious experience. Such an explanation would necessarily have to explain the mind-body relationship I think, including any role of causation.

Unless we're living in a different type of universe to the one physicalism explains, where information itself is somehow causative, perhaps even fundamental. That could perhaps potentially explain the mind body relationship, but I don't know how you'd go about arguing/evidencing such a claim.
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Gertie wrote: February 13th, 2023, 8:50 am
Bahman wrote: February 12th, 2023, 11:15 am
Gertie wrote: December 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm Consciousness can be talked about as a form of Information Processing.
Consciousness is not a form of information processing. It is however needed for information processing. Consciousness to me is the awareness of the surrounding.
Gertie wrote: December 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm For example, our physical sensory systems receive physical stimuli from the environment  (perhaps photons hitting an eyeball), and somehow our physical neurobiological systems manifest an image of a tree.
The question is how neurobiological activity can lead to consciousness.
Gertie wrote: December 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm That seems like a fairly straightforward understanding of the functionality of consciousness as information processing.  Somehow our brains translate or encode physical processes into meaningful representational /coded conscious experiences which we can understand and act on.
There are a few problems that you are skipping, 1) How can the information process lead to consciousness?, and 2) How can consciousness be causally efficacious? The first problem is known as the bottom-top causation and the second problem is the top-bottom.
Yes I agree.

I'd say that ''information processing'' can work as an abstract functional description of what conscious brains do.
That is pretty right.
Gertie wrote: December 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm But that's different to an explanation of the relationship between brains and conscious experience.
That is pretty right too.
Gertie wrote: December 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm Such an explanation would necessarily have to explain the mind-body relationship I think, including any role of causation.
You are right on the spot. The question is what is the mind?
Gertie wrote: December 30th, 2022, 3:10 pm Unless we're living in a different type of universe to the one physicalism explains, where information itself is somehow causative, perhaps even fundamental. That could perhaps potentially explain the mind body relationship, but I don't know how you'd go about arguing/evidencing such a claim.
I believe in a new version of substance dualism where there are mind and Quidia (Quidia = mental what-it-is-ness), the mind is an irreducible substance with the ability to experience, process, decide, and cause and Quidia is the subject of experience and causation and is a reducible substance. Information is what is conveyed by Quidia so it is necessary for causation but not sufficient. Why the information is not sufficient for causation? Because in a world without a mind, the information is just a form of awareness of the surroundings, and awareness by itself has no causal power (this is what I call top-bottom causation). Moreover, in the world that we experience, information is under constant change and process. Information, by itself, cannot change. That brings mind as a necessary thing that not only experiences and causes Quidia which carries information but also processes the information in a minimalistic way as well.
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