Why do the fear of losing often lead to giving up?

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Re: Why do the fear of losing often lead to giving up?

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Vagueabsolute wrote: March 12th, 2023, 9:47 am
Samana Johann wrote: March 11th, 2023, 8:11 am
Vagueabsolute wrote: March 8th, 2023, 9:47 am I have found that a fear of losing or failing can push people to give up or refrain from even trying.
Why do you think this is?

A few reasons that seem plausible to me are as follows.

Reason #1

Conceding gives a sense of control in contrast to having success ripped out of your hands.

Reason #2

Giving up can give the impression that you never cared, does sparing some pride.

Reason #3

Giving up in the pursuit of one thing, leaves time and energy for something else to be Achieved.

Reason #4

One may give up on hope in fear of disappointment.

Reason #5

Hope can be heavy and straining, letting go of it may be easier.
Only if ignorant one does not give up what's not possible to control
But you don’t know whats not possibly, do you?
When winning is your only desire, giving up can never be an option.
With your arms and legs severed, would you let your murderer drag you to your end, or would you bite down on the ground?
Not losing everything in this world isn't possible, good householder. This should then be self-explaning in regard of fear/no-fear of dying.
Good to have no fear to win over oneself, good to have no fear to hold on virtue and goodwill.
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Re: Why do the fear of losing often lead to giving up?

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Vagueabsolute wrote: March 12th, 2023, 9:47 am When winning is your only desire, giving up can never be an option.
With your arms and legs severed, would you let your murderer drag you to your end, or would you bite down on the ground?
The former. If my arms and legs were gone, "severed", the most I could hope for is that it will be over quickly. The lust for life reaches a point, I think, where it can go no further. Then we die. You can call that "giving up", if it makes you happy, but I suggest that few would agree with your assessment.
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Re: Why do the fear of losing often lead to giving up?

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Samana Johann wrote: March 12th, 2023, 9:59 am
Vagueabsolute wrote: March 12th, 2023, 9:47 am
Samana Johann wrote: March 11th, 2023, 8:11 am
Vagueabsolute wrote: March 8th, 2023, 9:47 am I have found that a fear of losing or failing can push people to give up or refrain from even trying.
Why do you think this is?

A few reasons that seem plausible to me are as follows.

Reason #1

Conceding gives a sense of control in contrast to having success ripped out of your hands.

Reason #2

Giving up can give the impression that you never cared, does sparing some pride.

Reason #3

Giving up in the pursuit of one thing, leaves time and energy for something else to be Achieved.

Reason #4

One may give up on hope in fear of disappointment.

Reason #5

Hope can be heavy and straining, letting go of it may be easier.
Only if ignorant one does not give up what's not possible to control
But you don’t know whats not possibly, do you?
When winning is your only desire, giving up can never be an option.
With your arms and legs severed, would you let your murderer drag you to your end, or would you bite down on the ground?
Not losing everything in this world isn't possible, good householder. This should then be self-explaning in regard of fear/no-fear of dying.
Good to have no fear to win over oneself, good to have no fear to hold on virtue and goodwill.
This conclusion of yours seem like a coping mechanism for loss. In a way, proving my point. You fear loss, so instead of fighting back you claim your downfall inevitable. This is also the ultimate reason behind this thread, this fickle resolve, it’s so detrimental, we need to highlight it, so that we may adjust against it. There is nothing wrong with trying, snap out of it and realise this.
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Re: Why do the fear of losing often lead to giving up?

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Vagueabsolute wrote: March 12th, 2023, 7:01 pm
Samana Johann wrote: March 12th, 2023, 9:59 am
Vagueabsolute wrote: March 12th, 2023, 9:47 am
Samana Johann wrote: March 11th, 2023, 8:11 am
Only if ignorant one does not give up what's not possible to control
But you don’t know whats not possibly, do you?
When winning is your only desire, giving up can never be an option.
With your arms and legs severed, would you let your murderer drag you to your end, or would you bite down on the ground?
Not losing everything in this world isn't possible, good householder. This should then be self-explaning in regard of fear/no-fear of dying.
Good to have no fear to win over oneself, good to have no fear to hold on virtue and goodwill.
This conclusion of yours seem like a coping mechanism for loss. In a way, proving my point. You fear loss, so instead of fighting back you claim your downfall inevitable. This is also the ultimate reason behind this thread, this fickle resolve, it’s so detrimental, we need to highlight it, so that we may adjust against it. There is nothing wrong with trying, snap out of it and realise this.
Fighting, doing wrong, and harm, for what is sure to be lost is waste and not wise, or? Why fearing to go after what not subject to decay, good householder?
One won over himself does not worry about gain or lose in the world. One who thinks that there is real and refuge in what's unreal and out of control, does not only steady fear lose, fight but also bond by steady fear out of wrong conduct, a life bussy with philosophy and reasoning to progress his fight.
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Re: Why do the fear of losing often lead to giving up?

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While unavoidable lose always leads to give up, yet not understanding, taking on anew, again and again, giving up (surrender, Saddha) out of understanding, and go for what lies beyond, is very very seldom, especially when intoxicated with youth, health and life.

Saddha, faith that things in the world, what one takes as his, are lost either, forms the base of the path to the deathless.
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Samana Johann wrote: March 12th, 2023, 7:23 pm While unavoidable lose always leads to give up, yet not understanding, taking on anew, again and again, giving up (surrender, Saddha) out of understanding, and go for what lies beyond, is very very seldom, especially when intoxicated with youth, health and life.

Saddha, faith that things in the world, what one takes as his, are lost either, forms the base of the path to the deathless.
If you wish to discuss, please aim to improve your grammar.
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Re: Why do the fear of losing often lead to giving up?

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Vagueabsolute wrote: March 12th, 2023, 10:03 pm
Samana Johann wrote: March 12th, 2023, 7:23 pm While unavoidable lose always leads to give up, yet not understanding, taking on anew, again and again, giving up (surrender, Saddha) out of understanding, and go for what lies beyond, is very very seldom, especially when intoxicated with youth, health and life.

Saddha, faith that things in the world, what one takes as his, are lost either, forms the base of the path to the deathless.
If you wish to discuss, please aim to improve your grammar.
What drives such fear, good householder. To what will it lead? Or why giving up to look what's beyond that which usually try to hold on, to grasp?
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