Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by Fan of Science » July 16th, 2017, 8:09 pm

Spiral Out: Just think of a number line with the set of natural numbers marked. Start at the point that corresponds to the number one. Then, move 1 to the right, which represents the operation of "adding 1," and you'll end up at the point marked with a 2, the "squiggly line." The operation of addition is essentially sliding along the number line.

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by Synthesis » July 17th, 2017, 3:55 pm

Fan of Science wrote:That's nonsense. The number 2 is an abstraction, as all mathematical objects are. Being ignorant of the meaning of these mathematical abstractions does not in any way undermine them. It simply means you have not taken the time to learn mathematics before commenting. It's not just math that has this level of abstraction, so do other subjects, like economics. As an example, the amount listed in your bank account is not a reference to any specific, unique, set of dollar bills.
The number two is an abstraction of exactly what? If you wish to apply the term abstraction to economics, then consider the abstraction of labor-value earned into its money-form.

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by Fan of Science » July 17th, 2017, 11:33 pm

Synthesis: The labor-value theory in economics has been debunked long ago and so no I will not waste my time trying to argue that a non-empirical value claim is in any sense true. The number 2 is an abstraction that little children learn. They learn what is common about 2 chairs, 2 dollars, 2 houses, 2 women, 2 schools, 2 cars, etc. That's the part that you completely reject.

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by Magicpotion » July 19th, 2017, 5:07 pm

Synthesis wrote:The number two is an abstraction of exactly what?
I've always conceptualised the number two as an abstraction of polar-opposites on a spectrum.

Day and Night
Hot and Cold
Up and Down

Although these things may be unified in reality (all is one), we conceptualise them as two different things to compare, contrast and show the variety within the spectrum.

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by Jacqueline Sheehan » August 14th, 2017, 2:35 pm

Biologically speaking, 1+1 might = 3.

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by SubatomicAl1en » January 6th, 2020, 9:39 am

you can't refute 1+1+2. It is simply pure logic that is implemented into our universe. What if in some other universes laws and logic work differently?

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by SubatomicAl1en » January 6th, 2020, 9:40 am

It's like asking "could the speed of light be slower or faster?"

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by LuckyR » January 7th, 2020, 2:59 am

Sure: 1+1=10

Simple, really.
"As usual... it depends."

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by Sculptor1 » January 7th, 2020, 10:28 am

LuckyR wrote:
January 7th, 2020, 2:59 am
Sure: 1+1=10

Simple, really.
Clearly.
And
12+4=A

AND

Let's not forget the connoisseur's:

7+1=10

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by Hans-Werner Hammen » January 2nd, 2021, 7:11 pm

The aequation = an assertion "1+1=2" logically follows from a presupposition, ONE assertion Of symbols symbolizing an order OF numbers
1, 2, 3,...
Let the symbols be different
2, 1, 4, 3, 6...
then 2 + 2 = 1, and 1 + 1 = 3

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by LuckyR » January 3rd, 2021, 3:37 pm

Sculptor1 wrote:
January 7th, 2020, 10:28 am
LuckyR wrote:
January 7th, 2020, 2:59 am
Sure: 1+1=10

Simple, really.
Clearly.
And
12+4=A

AND

Let's not forget the connoisseur's:

7+1=10
I was writing in binary, what are you doing?
"As usual... it depends."

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by Sculptor1 » January 3rd, 2021, 4:36 pm

LuckyR wrote:
January 3rd, 2021, 3:37 pm
Sculptor1 wrote:
January 7th, 2020, 10:28 am


Clearly.
And
12+4=A

AND

Let's not forget the connoisseur's:

7+1=10
I was writing in binary, what are you doing?
The first is hexadecimal, and the latter is octal.

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by LuckyR » January 4th, 2021, 2:53 am

Sculptor1 wrote:
January 3rd, 2021, 4:36 pm
LuckyR wrote:
January 3rd, 2021, 3:37 pm


I was writing in binary, what are you doing?
The first is hexadecimal, and the latter is octal.
Ah so, but 1+1 is still 2.
"As usual... it depends."

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by Sculptor1 » January 4th, 2021, 8:26 am

LuckyR wrote:
January 4th, 2021, 2:53 am
Sculptor1 wrote:
January 3rd, 2021, 4:36 pm


The first is hexadecimal, and the latter is octal.
Ah so, but 1+1 is still 2.
Unless its binary, in which case it is 10.

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

Post by Sealight » January 4th, 2021, 10:04 pm

I think people who argue about the true value of the statement '1+1 = 2' try to look deeper into the matter.
There is no such a thing as '1+1 = 2' in physical world. In physical world one can say '1 apple + 1 apple = 2 apples' which I doubt is true since not all apples are the same.
In Algebra it is true by the way of constructing integer numbers. Still in Math but outside Algebra the statement is not necessarily true. Look at Banach-Tarski paradox that basically states '1+1 = 1' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banach%E2 ... ki_paradox
So, it is a very narrow area where '1+1 = 2' is true and that area is Algebra that doesn't cover the whole Math. And Math is not everything. So I would say that probability that '1+1 = 2' is true is very negligible and almost zero.

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