Is Science Objective?

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Pattern-chaser wrote: April 6th, 2022, 12:30 pm
Pattern-chaser wrote: April 6th, 2022, 10:01 am We must always be careful to distinguish the map from the territory.
Raymond wrote: April 6th, 2022, 10:33 am The point is that you don't know what the territory is if you consider it as a never reachable objective truth.
Yes. 👍 That's the wider point being made here, in our discussion of Objectivity. And yet the closer-focus point also stands: the map and the territory are two very different things, and we must always be sure not to confuse them.
But how can we make a map if we don't know the territory first?
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Raymond wrote: April 6th, 2022, 2:36 pm But how can we make a map if we don't know the territory first?
If we knew the territory, why would we need a map?
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Pattern-chaser wrote: April 6th, 2022, 3:52 pm
Raymond wrote: April 6th, 2022, 2:36 pm But how can we make a map if we don't know the territory first?
If we knew the territory, why would we need a map?
For the same reason we use maps in foreign countries.
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TheAstronomer wrote: October 8th, 2020, 11:14 am I take the position that science is fundamentally objective.
Science is objective but some scientists are not, imo.

It seems to me that the science of evolution is rife with biased opinions. For example, I've encountered many scientists online who claim to "know" how evolution works, yet they can't prove that the theory of evolution describes the process that produced the changes evident in the fossil record.
Claiming to "know" how an unproven (and unprovable) process works sounds like a nonsence to me.
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Science aims to be objective. It is conducted by humans, so it's imperfectly objective. What is objectivity in the practical realm, but broad agreement between informed subjects?

Darwinian evolution, though, is very well understood. No field is comprehensively known, of course, but all scientific fields have seen extraordinary advances in the past thousand years. I have my own quibbles with evolutionary biology, in that there's too much focus on individual genetics and not enough study of the evolution of large group dynamics. Nor is there much consideration of the biosphere's evolution. Nor the evolution of Earth as a whole, which would include the geological/chemical evolution that preceded and facilitated biological evolution.

It seems that money and scientists' own subjectivity guides their study targets. However, the studies themselves tend to be conducted rigorously, logically and extremely intelligently. Sadly, the media often reports on studies without the same rigour, which unfairly tarnishes science's reputation.
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TheAstronomer wrote: October 8th, 2020, 11:14 am I take the position that science is fundamentally objective. I don't think that scientists themselves are necessarily objective, but that science as a whole is objective. I also don't think that science necessarily arrives at the absolute truth, if such a term has any meaning at all. I make the claim, though, that science can reach objective truth.

Can anyone suggest some good arguments from both sides? I want to do this as "objectively" as I can.
Science is intended to be fundamentally objective, but as it is, the practices of mainstream science could never arrive at the absolute truth despite has been thriving in pragmatism. Its propositions could only be analytically true, which are subjected to its postulated objective reality.

Pragmatic theories of truth for pragmatism of scienctific persues do not entail objective truth, nonetheless such approach for science has true values that are necessary for applied science.
TheAstronomer wrote: October 8th, 2020, 11:14 am Could you also suggest some names of people to read, or of the various movements that have grown up on either side of this debate.
I have two relevant topics on this you might want to dig in:

Critical analysis of the scientific method on its intrinsic flaws

Logic and belief systems
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