So are you now admitting climate change through temperature rise, Misty? It happens every time. First the deniers say there is no temperature rise, then no climate change and when both are difficult to deny it becomes a natural process.So what exactly is your position Misty?Misty wrote:The issue is that climate changes is the fault of humans. The sun and the magnetic field of sun spots is what controls climate changes. Please watch the following;
On youtube.com type in The Great Global Warming Swindle Full Movie - - - -sound education on the subject. Please watch the entire movie.
Also accessible on you tube: Climategate - The Fraud of Global Warming and Climate Change
http://www.ClimateDepot.com
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Xris wrote:So are you now admitting climate change through temperature rise, Misty? It happens every time. First the deniers say there is no temperature rise, then no climate change and when both are difficult to deny it becomes a natural process.So what exactly is your position Misty?Misty wrote:The issue is that climate changes is the fault of humans. The sun and the magnetic field of sun spots is what controls climate changes. Please watch the following;
On youtube.com type in The Great Global Warming Swindle Full Movie - - - -sound education on the subject. Please watch the entire movie.
Also accessible on you tube: Climategate - The Fraud of Global Warming and Climate Change
http://www.ClimateDepot.com
http://www.ConserativeUSA.org
Xris, I do not believe humans are equivalent to the power of the sun. It is common knowledge that weather/climate functions by heating and cooling and is controlled by the suns magnetic field of sunspots. To say humans caused it is a political move which ends up with more taxes. I cannot articulate the problem like the movie does. So if you have time please watch it. Heating and cooling scares that blame the people are not new. Misty
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It is blatantly obvious their money is working.
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There is a big problem with this. The fact is that climate change is a constant. When the ice age comes the Amish will be swept away like dinosaurs. At the moment the Climate change seems to be going towards global warming GW. But this is shall not always be the case, and it is highly speculative to what degree "technology" is the cause of GW. When I first studied Environmental in the 1970s the greatest fear was the fact that we were well overdue for the coming of the next ice age, and climatologist were talking about ways to avoid it. There is a very good argument to say that human activity may well be holding back that ice-age due to making some contribution to GW..Theboombody wrote:I always wonder why people feel better technology is the solution to global warming when technology is causing global warming in the first place. I would think less technology would be better on the environment. Look at the Amish. Those guys are better environmentalists than anybody today, and they don't even try to be. They don't pile up huge mountains of litter or cause any pollution.
I think if we really care about the health of the planet, we'll forget gimmicks like carbon credits and solar power, and just be more like the Amish. True, we might live in less comfort and may not live as long, but we'll definitely be more likely to ensure the future health of the planet.
Back the the Amish. I think you have a rise-coloured idea about the role of the Amish and the environment. They are responsible for millions of acres of arable land that was once rich forestry, teaming with wildlife, the USA represents a massive environmental disaster that has preyed on the land for the last 200 years reducing its forest to 5% of its natural state. The Amish are part of this disaster.
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There is a big problem with this. The fact is that climate change is a constant. When the ice age comes the Amish will be swept away like dinosaurs. At the moment the Climate change seems to be going towards global warming GW. But this is shall not always be the case, and it is highly speculative to what degree "technology" is the cause of GW. When I first studied Environmental in the 1970s the greatest fear was the fact that we were well overdue for the coming of the next ice age, and climatologist were talking about ways to avoid it. There is a very good argument to say that human activity may well be holding back that ice-age due to making some contribution to GW..Theboombody wrote:I always wonder why people feel better technology is the solution to global warming when technology is causing global warming in the first place. I would think less technology would be better on the environment. Look at the Amish. Those guys are better environmentalists than anybody today, and they don't even try to be. They don't pile up huge mountains of litter or cause any pollution.
I think if we really care about the health of the planet, we'll forget gimmicks like carbon credits and solar power, and just be more like the Amish. True, we might live in less comfort and may not live as long, but we'll definitely be more likely to ensure the future health of the planet.
Back the the Amish. I think you have a rise-coloured idea about the role of the Amish and the environment. They are responsible for millions of acres of arable land that was once rich forestry, teaming with wildlife, the USA represents a massive environmental disaster that has preyed on the land for the last 200 years reducing its forest to 5% of its natural state. The Amish are part of this disaster.
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I just hate it when people throw about statistic they make off the top of their head. 99% of stats are invented.Xris wrote:Misty I do get annoyed when such twisted and lying links are referred to.They are sponsored by the oil companies, who have vested interest in convincing the populace by any means possible . So you are admitting there is global warming, is that correct? 99% of scientists educated to understand the question all agree we have climate change caused by human activity. What qualified scientific evidence is there to oppose this overwhelming concensushttp://www.ibtimes.com/climate-change-counterm ... il-1518282
It is blatantly obvious their money is working.
I also hate it when people confuse Global warning with Climate Change and fail to make the distinction between natural and anthropogenic Climate change.
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Can you answer the five questions that both Wilson and Xris have refused to answer [...]Greta wrote:DarwinX, your views on global warming have been noted (repeatedly).
Just wondering what it would take for you to believe the huge majority of scientists (and most others) that climate change is occurring? What evidence would you need? What level of catastrophes would be required?
Test of knowledge
1. What do you know about Maurice Strong?
2. What message did the leaked email from the "hockey stick trick" graph by Michael Mann contain?
3. How many cars,houses and airplanes does Al Gore own?
4. Did the IPCC take into account the heat island effect in their measurements of global temperature?
5. What causes sea ice to melt (a) air temperature (b) water temperature?
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What game is this? I ask a simple question and get only childish accusations.DarwinX wrote:Can you answer the five questions that both Wilson and Xris have refused to answer [...]Greta wrote:DarwinX, your views on global warming have been noted (repeatedly).
Just wondering what it would take for you to believe the huge majority of scientists (and most others) that climate change is occurring? What evidence would you need? What level of catastrophes would be required?
Test of knowledge
1. What do you know about Maurice Strong?
2. What message did the leaked email from the "hockey stick trick" graph by Michael Mann contain?
3. How many cars,houses and airplanes does Al Gore own?
4. Did the IPCC take into account the heat island effect in their measurements of global temperature?
5. What causes sea ice to melt (a) air temperature (b) water temperature?
I asked the question first - you answer it.
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Who did Maurice Strong work for before instigating the IPCC? Answer - Canada Oil. Say no moreXris wrote:Misty I do get annoyed when such twisted and lying links are referred to.They are sponsored by the oil companies, who have vested interest in convincing the populace by any means possible . So you are admitting there is global warming, is that correct? 99% of scientists educated to understand the question all agree we have climate change caused by human activity. What qualified scientific evidence is there to oppose this overwhelming concensushttp://www.ibtimes.com/climate-change-counterm ... il-1518282
It is blatantly obvious their money is working.
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As far as I am concerned - the weather and climate have not changed in the last 100 years. Disasters far worst than those that have happened recently have occurred in the past. Remember 'the little ice age' millions of people died when this occurred and mankind wasn't responsible for it, it was just a natural occurrence caused by volcanic activity and the sun. The Earth is a natural thermostat, so that any, so called warming, would be immediately compensated for by cold air which would neutralize the apparent warming. Cities create a heat island effect which is only local. IPCC thermometers are located close to urban infrastructure which accounts for their false temperature readings.Greta wrote: What game is this? I ask a simple question and get only childish accusations.
I asked the question first - you answer it.
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Xris, and I get annoyed when the masses are constantly being held captive to the lies of people like Gore. I also bet you did not watch the movie because if you did you would understand natural phenomenon. Did you know that CO2 follows temperature and does not cause it? Did you know the oceans absorb and emit the largest about of CO2, and mankinds contribution is so small it would hardly be noticed? If the masses can be convinced they are the cause then money can be stolen through taxation to fund all the stupid solutions that don't work which makes the pockets of such like Gore swell. The movie also shows how convincing the 3rd world countries to use inferior green products instead of electricity keeps them poor 3rd world countries and their life span continues to be lower than the developed countries and makes their life hard. I live in America and have lived through the last lie which was the earth was cooling. It is a political ploy. Your view keeps those kids you always talk about starving, starving.Xris wrote:Misty I do get annoyed when such twisted and lying links are referred to.They are sponsored by the oil companies, who have vested interest in convincing the populace by any means possible . So you are admitting there is global warming, is that correct? 99% of scientists educated to understand the question all agree we have climate change caused by human activity. What qualified scientific evidence is there to oppose this overwhelming concensushttp://www.ibtimes.com/climate-change-counterm ... il-1518282
It is blatantly obvious their money is working.
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The point is that you only think that the majority of scientists accept the the assertion that GW is mostly caused by humans. The fact is that most are skeptical. Most of what you think you know about Climate change is not derived from science but from the TV and the press. The science is far less certain.Greta wrote:What game is this? I ask a simple question and get only childish accusations.DarwinX wrote: (Nested quote removed.)
Can you answer the five questions that both Wilson and Xris have refused to answer [...]
Test of knowledge
1. What do you know about Maurice Strong?
2. What message did the leaked email from the "hockey stick trick" graph by Michael Mann contain?
3. How many cars,houses and airplanes does Al Gore own?
4. Did the IPCC take into account the heat island effect in their measurements of global temperature?
5. What causes sea ice to melt (a) air temperature (b) water temperature?
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When you watch the weather forecasts on your TV sets, how often do they get it wrong and how often do they revise the forecasts? Too often.
How often does NASA have to change a scheduled launch of a rocket due to bad weather? And do you remember when one of their rocket ships blew up in midair killing all of its passengers? And these are the same folks we're supposed to rely upon for global warming forecasts?
Now we can add on the current record-setting deep freeze the US is going through. I am now convinced that there is no global warming going on and NASA and IPCC have got it wrong.
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This post contains factual inaccuracies. The Jurassic and Cretaceous periods saw concentrations of CO2 far higher than at any point in human history.Xris wrote:As I said Misty you have been convinced by the oil companies propaganda. CO captures the warmth from the sun. It is a scientific fact that it is at its highest concentration for 300 million years. We contribute 10% and the rest is naturally formed. The biggest problem is we are removing the rain forest that absorbed the majority of these green hous gases. If you want an unbiased account I suggest you reference NASA. I do not take my opinions from self intersted non scientific sources. I apologise for my passion Misty but I believe it is the biggest disaster awaiting humanity and I think it is disgusting that oil companies are permitted to spread lies and distortions through right wing stooges.
The increase in CO2 in the last 100 years of of the order of 0.01% atmospheric content. Laboratory experiments with normal atmospheric contents of CO2 cannot demonstrate any warming remotely similar to even the most lowest estimates of anthropogenic GW claims.
From memory the estimate of CO2 100 years ago were around 0.038% and are believed to have risen to around 0.048%- 0.54%. But on a basis of an increase of 25% you have to account for a rise in temp based on how much historical levels were at all responsible for global temperatures before you estimate how much an increase in GW is caused by increasing CO2. There is also a factor to consider that the increase will not be linear, and diminishing returns will be registered.
Were we to extraolate the claims of the GW hysterics, onto the massive CO2 concentrations around in the Jurassic, the dinosaurs would have been living in a furnace and all life would have been extinguished long before the end of the Cretaceous.
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I think it is worth reflecting on the cause of the founding of the IPCC. This was done by Thatcher and Reagan both of whom were interested in smashing the power unions with propaganda; whilst providing a scientific rational for the conservation of fossil fuels to combat the power of OPEC, who had elevated oil prices 5-6 years before. When you pour money into a thing to prove a case, all you get is exactly the result you are looking for. Meteorology and climate studies is not pure science, and what you can prove in a reductionist test tube environment does not necessarily apply to a complex systems such as weather or climate. Thatcher and Reagan created a generation of scientists whose entire career depends on the promotion of the IPCC and all grants these days tend to attract money as long as the tag:" with relation to GW" is added.Philosophy Explorer wrote:I already said I was skeptical about what NASA and IPCC claimed. Here's why.
When you watch the weather forecasts on your TV sets, how often do they get it wrong and how often do they revise the forecasts? Too often.
How often does NASA have to change a scheduled launch of a rocket due to bad weather? And do you remember when one of their rocket ships blew up in midair killing all of its passengers? And these are the same folks we're supposed to rely upon for global warming forecasts?
Now we can add on the current record-setting deep freeze the US is going through. I am now convinced that there is no global warming going on and NASA and IPCC have got it wrong.
Once the basic science is out there it is then picked up by the press who love to exaggerate and simplify. The "hockey stick" is an obvious bit of film-flam. the length of the stick is the result of proxy data from archeological sources, whilst the head of the stick is from high resolution modern observations using the latest techniques; this data should never be presented on the same page let alone on the same graph.
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Can you cite any of this?DarwinX wrote:The properties of Co2 are that with increasing density of its reflection decreases exponentially after it reaches saturation point. Thus, increasing CO2 doesn't necessarily increase its reflective properties to any measurable amount. Don't forget that light has to get through the CO2 before it can be reflected back again. Thus, a large part of the reflection occurs at this point which annuls the backwards reflection of the infra red spectrum. Note - The IPCC did not take into consideration the properties of CO2 when they made their assessment that CO2 was to blame for global warming. They also did not take into consideration the heat island effect which has caused the so called 0.7 degree increase in global temperature. In fact in thousands of pages of IPCC reports the word sun is never mentioned. The sun is, apparently, just an inconvenience to the IPCC which shows the hypocrisy and corruption which is endemic within the IPCC.
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