Does time move?

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What do you think about Bergson and his pure mobility? I think pure mobility is the movement of time.
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VolatileWorld wrote:What do you think about Bergson and his pure mobility? I think pure mobility is the movement of time.
Hi VW,

A quick internet check shows that pure mobility ties into duration. Bergson is seriously regarded by philosophers so I would say his views about time may be correct.

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quote]One year as a four year old is a very long time, but as a 40 year old it is relatively a short time in comparison. Why is that?[/quote]


It all comes down to relativity and mathematics. One year to a four year old is 1/4 of his life. One year to a 40 year old is only 1/40th of his life.

At 4 years old, life moves at 4 miles an hour. At 40, life moves at 40 miles an hour. It's all relative.

-- Updated June 23rd, 2014, 10:43 am to add the following --

Although the Earth is spinning, we do not see it spinning, it appears to be stationary. The Sun appears to be moving across the sky, but in fact the Sun is stationary in relation to the Earth.

It is the same with time. Although the present moment appears to be moving, it is stationary in relation to changes. Changes happen within the present moment. Numbers moving within the present moment, give the illusion of time, but it is always "now". We simply label that which is always here, by different names and different numbers, as a matter of convenience.
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"You are absolutely right Leo, and this is where space/time comes into play. Even though it is the present moment everywhere in the universe at the same time, it it's separated by space. And because there is "space" it takes "time" to reach a different point in the present moment. During the time it takes for the phone call to reach the other person, neither person, at any point during that time, has left the present moment.[/quote]

People and other creatures obviously have to deal with time distance in every interaction. Our vision evolved in accordance with such time distance affects. Why human eyes can not zoom a lot, like photo camera? I am sure they could evolve being just like that. However, that would fool the textile senses, not giving a chance to interact with a person who's super visible from far away, zoomed in, but can not be heard, can not be touched, no interaction. No interaction, no matter how zoomed is the image of another person, means no reproduction, no friends, no group where each member influences the other, or helps, or cares, or loves, or feeds, etc. Today we have Skype, which is quite limited in the same way, although works because society is quite developed. Lots of things and communication are done without direct interaction, and time distance is sort of, at least partially, bitten or ignored when can be. That is why we see person or object as a lot smaller the greater time distance is to this object or person. Smaller image means farther, unreachable, or harder to get to, not immediately important, distant, can be ignored. Can create longing, desire to reach, to get closer. Larger image means close, communicable, interactional, touchable, immediate, actual, important, deserving of attention. Or dangerous, causing desire to flee, depending on a content.

Conventional time, used on Earth for coordinating human behavior uses time belts, night, day, 24 hours. It is tied up to Earth, is super utilitarian and because of it is sort of out of deeper ways of understanding time, of scientific or philosophical nature.
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John McTaggart Ellis McTaggart, commonly John McTaggart or J. M. E. McTaggart (3 September 1866 – 18 January 1925) was an idealist metaphysician.

He may be an interesting read in regards to time.

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The easiest way to understand time is to simply accept it for what it appears to be, namely a sequence of moments in which events occur. Just think of time as continuously coming into existence, just as your most basic intuitions tell you it does. Your intuitions are not fooling you because this would completely contradict evolutionary law. Our moments arrive and pass in an ever-moving stream of time, like Omar Khayyam's Moving Finger. Each event has its moment in the spotlight and then exists no more. The past is gone and can never be retrieved because the Moving Finger has moved on. The present is only the present and is also irretrievable. These are the only moments in which reality can truly be said to exist. The present has been caused by the events of the past and by the time we can observe these moments they too have become the past, and thus exist no longer. This is physical law. The only moments that have any meaning to the human mind are those that lie in our future. These moments do not exist yet and thus the events of these moments are yet to be caused. The truth of the human experience cannot be denied and the meaning of our own existence lies in this truth, which stands before us like an elephant in the room. This is also the meaning and the truth of the entire universe, as I've desperately been trying to explain elsewhere. The events which will occur in our moments of the future have not yet been determined. The great evolutionary milestone that is a sentient mind reveals this simplest of all truths to us. We are both observers and players in a never-ending cosmic opera. Most of the events of the future moments will occur with or without our own existence. However some of those events which form a part of our personal experience of these moments are our own privilege to cause. A mind is a future-maker. The choices which we make with this remarkable evolutionary bequest will irrevocably bring about the future of physical reality.

In a nutshell, my friends, this is the philosophy of the bloody obvious. So exquisitely simple and intuitive is this proposition that I hold it to be a self-evident truth. However because it contradicts the current models being used in physics, I assert that these models must be false. This is all I'm getting at.

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Time does not move because it has no substance.
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Reactor wrote:Time does not move because it has no substance.
Doesn't energy move which has no substance?

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Objects of energy are equivalent in some ways to objects of mass and both are subject to gravity, so both have substance.
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Reactor wrote:Objects of energy are equivalent in some ways to objects of mass and both are subject to gravity, so both have substance.
What do you think of the earth orbiting around the sun and the hands of a clock moving?

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PhilX wrote:
What do you think of the earth orbiting around the sun and the hands of a clock moving?
They are observations that have a very few similarities.
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I have a theory of time based on Kant, Bergson and Aristotle. Google Darius Malys.
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I sometimes think everything is movement because light is what we (human beings) use to represent objects. Light is particles or waves. Whatever it is we see because of light, has a velocity itself. Light is what makes it appear as it does for us. We say that nothing travels faster than the speed of light and what we actually see is light reflected off the objects we do see. It is light acting upon these objects that might travel at a speed or have a "movement" in relation to light waves or particles.

In some other post I mentioned that everything is velocity or speed and that may be creating the illusion of space. The universe is said to be in constant movement. By this I mean that all energy is in movement. Light plays the role of reflecting objects (energies) as it does to our eyes, among other things. It may be light itself that creates this illusion of space when in fact these energies (including matter) are not really separate but in constant movement in relation to the others. Light makes them seem separate when it all may be one big chunk of fluctuating energies...

Maybe Im watching too much sci-fi :)

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How does time play into this? Time is this comparison of speeds/velocities between these energies.
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IMHO, there are 2 components to time;

1 conservation (existence over time)

Our reality is ultimately made of waves. Waves must flow to exist. The flow of the waves through space creates existence. This motion is undetectable to us, that suggests a constant linear motion (absence of acceleration forces). This "speed of existence" is c (speed of light). (The reasoning behind this claim is based on the behavior of light in a vacuum-I will address this later, if anyone is interested). So our reality is made of waves traveling at the speed of light and that means the "LAW OF CONSERVATION" is an outcome of this. It also means that we are going very close to perfect linear motion (at least under the conditions in which we evolved).

2 interaction (change over time)

Since everything in our galaxy is co-moving with regards to existence, every motion that we actually can detect are relatively slow (everyday-normal) motions of co-moving points of interest with an observer. This is what we perceive as time, a history of experiences of occurrences. This interaction is where complexity evolves. Complexity leads to fragility. Fragility makes survival factors important.

Does time move?

No. Time does not move. Reality moves through time.
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If time existed, it would stretch out for infinity in both direction. Time would not move, we would move, and as we moved we would say that time is passing. If time were infinite, it would take an infinite amount of time to arrive at this point in time, however, if time had a starting point, what would you call one minute before it started. The present is the only time that actually exists, since everything happens within the present. The present is that still point in which all other movement is noticed. It does not arrive, as it is already here. It does not depart either. It's the only thing which does not move, in a universe where everything else is moving.
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