Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

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Sy Borg wrote: February 17th, 2022, 7:31 pm Add two drops of water together and you end up with a single larger drop of water, although it's twice the mass so the relativities remain true.
Good example! :-)
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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

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Yes :!:

In fact there are a bunch of hearings in Washington right now on just this subject.

Denying simple math that added up to a resounding defeat for him, Donald Trump claimed fraud - and has a good part of an entire political party supporting this.

So here is how you can refute '1+1 = 2' - Claim the addition is fraudulent and part of conspiracy to rob you of the truth :roll:

Rile up your supporters and ask for a recount so that 1 + 1 can add up to what you want it to
- Never let reality stand in your way :!:
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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

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UA, your point is fair at a superficial level. That is, there's tens of millions of Americans who appear to have decided that reality is too hard and fallen into fantasy. You are living in it and I commiserate. As Sagan put it:
I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance.
However, there is a deeper layer, where those who study the philosophy of mathematics question basic mathematical assumptions. I read about this some time ago and have forgotten both the details and the source. Ultimately math is about relationships, comparisons. Certainly at quantum scales, such obvious truisms no longer apply.
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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

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1 + 1 = 10

QED
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Re: Is there a way to refute '1+1 = 2'?

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AverageBozo wrote: August 2nd, 2022, 9:55 am 1 + 1 = 10

QED
But this is only 'true' in certain number systems in a few cultures, most of which are not humanoid - Humanoids are consistently myopic
in scope and concept and have evolved little in the last ten thousand years.

Among the Qunatumnites the 1 + 1 extensions allowed some of the first Quantum Drive engines and the beginnings of intergalactic
space travel.

Without getting too involved in details beyond the scope of this forum, suffice it to say that most advanced cultures accept the
illusory nature of One {1} - And space-time slips and anomalies are accepted as fact :idea:
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