The Michelson- Morley experiment was a fraud

[Steve3007]

Oh dear. I fear I may have just given away a little April Fool joke that I've been playing. Never mind.

[Obvious Leo]

I think you might be after that "class clown" crown yourself!

Harbal has the title in the bag.

[Lyle wayne moss]

I've never understood MMX very well because the aether itself was NOT supposed to interact with anything - it was just supposed to be a medium that allowed electromagnetic waves to move from place to place - sort of like a copper wire that allowed electrons to move. Right? So why would you imagine a non-interacting medium to produce " a wind "??

Even if there WAS a resistance, would not the forward West to East motion of the Earth impart its momentum to the 'upstream traveling' light beam? And wouldn't this momentum cancel out any resistance?

[Cogito ergo sum]

The Michelson - Morley experiment result is false because they measured light travelling in two directions at the same time. The Michelson - Morley experiment used mirrors to reflect light back in two directions which would have cancelled out any aether shift time difference. Therefore, we can say that the experiment was poorly conducted and didn't either prove or disprove the existence of an aether. Until they can devise an experiment which measures light in one direction, the question of whether there is an aether or isn't an aether, will remain unsolved. Note - Scientists already have conceded that measuring light in one direction is impossible, so I guess we will never know.

I thought you believed in absolute time? what is an aether time shift? What is your definition of aether? I feel like you have trouble understanding what science is and that the majority of these calculations are close approximations. What is your understanding of calculus? look at some calculus equations they are mostly approximations, or smaller and smaller increments of space that you allow to go to infinity. For example if I want to get to the number 1 I first have to have the number 0.9. If I add another nine after that I get closer and closer to the number one but not quite there. (0.99,0.999,0.9999...0.9999999999 ect.) But I am sure you are skeptical about calculus and how Newton and Liebnoz where frauds who had some secret plan to confuse people with their bizarre Mathematics.

[Alan Masterman]

What a bunch of crap. Moderators, can't you enforce some rules of relevance and intellectual integrity? I mean, this thread is ****. Verbal diarrea. The original poster raised a serous question worthy of critical discussion, and this is the treatment he gets. What does this say about the intellectual integrity of your site?

Incredible as it may sound, some of us come here seeking intelligent discussion and - who know? - perhaps even enlightenment. Okay, I know that for the Online Philosophy Club, this might be out of left field...

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What a bunch of crap. Moderators, can't you enforce some standards of scientific credibility and objectivity? After the initial question, so far as I can see, only Logicus had anything of scientific value to contritbute to the discussion. The others had only verbal diarrea.

I come to this site looking for intelligent discussion. Maybe I'm talking to the wrong people?

[Cogito ergo sum]

What a bunch of crap. Moderators, can't you enforce some rules of relevance and intellectual integrity? I mean, this thread is ****. Verbal diarrea. The original poster raised a serous question worthy of critical discussion, and this is the treatment he gets. What does this say about the intellectual integrity of your site?

Incredible as it may sound, some of us come here seeking intelligent discussion and - who know? - perhaps even enlightenment. Okay, I know that for the Online Philosophy Club, this might be out of left field...

-- Updated Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:18 am to add the following --

What a bunch of crap. Moderators, can't you enforce some standards of scientific credibility and objectivity? After the initial question, so far as I can see, only Logicus had anything of scientific value to contritbute to the discussion. The others had only verbal diarrea.

I come to this site looking for intelligent discussion. Maybe I'm talking to the wrong people?

I do agree with you that the dialogue could have gone better and laid out In a more philosophically pleasing manner. That being said many of Darwins posts are based on anti-semitisn and pseudoscience that have no foundation or credibility. His views on many scientific discoveries are completely skewed and incorrect. The claim that the Michelson and Morley experiment is a fraud is a false statement to begin with. You could say that the experiment was poorly executed or they were working with what they had at the time but if you piece together his other posts you will find his philosophy is based on the idea of a new world order, suppression of knowledge, misunderstandings of scientific verbiage, lack of understanding of basic mathematics and the list goes on. No real scientist is saying that aether doesn't exist. This whole post comes from his misinterpretation of what a vacum is and a general lack of understanding that much of scientific information outside academia are just close approximatios to satisfy the general audience of scientific inquiry. I have asked him many times to come up with better ways to test and experiment these topics he brings up and so far I have received nothing.

[Atreyu]

Darwin's "aether" appears very similar to the idea of a "Void" that we have been discussing in the "Metaphysics" section, which is also similar to the Eastern idea of a "Tao". I bring this up because the "Void" and the "Tao" are elucidated much more intelligently than the "aether" usually is, but all three concepts appear to be saying the same thing - that there is something existing in the Universe which is beyond human comprehension and perception, but which is essential to both....

[Paradigmer]

The Michelson - Morley experiment result is false because they measured light travelling in two directions at the same time. The Michelson - Morley experiment used mirrors to reflect light back in two directions which would have cancelled out any aether shift time difference. Therefore, we can say that the experiment was poorly conducted and didn't either prove or disprove the existence of an aether. Until they can devise an experiment which measures light in one direction, the question of whether there is an aether or isn't an aether, will remain unsolved. Note - Scientists already have conceded that measuring light in one direction is impossible, so I guess we will never know.

There is a website by James DeMeo, PhD. on "Dayton Miller's Ether-Drift Experiments: A Fresh Look", it elaborates on the Dayton Miller's light-beam interferometer that recorded positive findings for the existence of ether.

Hi, am new here, the forum does not allow me to post links till 10 posts are made. Google on "Dayton Miller's Ether-Drift Experiments" and you should find it.

[Dexter3150]

I have new evidence that I have published in a peer-reviewed Physics journal that confirms the detection of the Aether by Michelson-Morley and Miller (Mt Wilson) and agrees with the magnitude of the Aether wind determined by Cahill of around 486km/sec. Please carefully read and understand the explanation and maths presented in this paper:

Find a link to the paper on my webpage here, or look up the reference details below (remove spaces): https:// www energyfieldtheory com/copy-of-my-papers

Reference: Traill, D. (2022) The Light Timing Calculations of the Interferometer in the Quest to Detect Light Speed Anisotropy and a Case Study of the Michelson-Morley and Miller Mt Wilson Experiments. Journal of Applied Mathematics and Physics, 10, 802-827. doi: 10.4236/jamp.2022.103055.

[Raymond]

The Michelson - Morley experiment result is false because they measured light travelling in two directions at the same time. The Michelson - Morley experiment used mirrors to reflect light back in two directions which would have cancelled out any aether shift time difference. Therefore, we can say that the experiment was poorly conducted and didn't either prove or disprove the existence of an aether. Until they can devise an experiment which measures light in one direction, the question of whether there is an aether or isn't an aether, will remain unsolved. Note - Scientists already have conceded that measuring light in one direction is impossible, so I guess we will never know.

Why would the two direction measurement have canceled out aether drift. If you measure the speed of sound in still air, by reflecting it from a wall you get a different value than in moving air.