Intelligent design

Use this forum to discuss the philosophy of science. Philosophy of science deals with the assumptions, foundations, and implications of science.
Syamsu
Posts: 2645
Joined: December 9th, 2011, 4:45 pm

Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu »

It is 100 percent proven fact that inteligent design can produce a complex functionally integrated object, as by example of a watchmaker producing a watch. If then we come across a complex functionally integrated object, such as organisms are, then it is reasonable to speculate it was created by intelligent design.

How intelligent design of a watch functions is to create a representation of the watch in the mind, according to which design the watch is produced. The design of the watch is arrived at by a way of choosing it. The options for the way the design can turn out are constricted by goals such as telling the time.

The basic function of human intelligence is formed by the dna system. The question is if the dna system functions as an insipient intelligence itself, and the human intelligence is a derivative of that intelligence, or if the dna just carries the information to form intellience, but does not have the basic function of intelligence itself.

The dna system can form an ant and an elephant. It is wide ranging in what shapes it can grow, as the human mind is wide ranging in what shapes it can imagine. It is evidence that the dna system functions as an intelligence.

The human mind is alike a world in it's own right. It can model anything in the universe proper, and can imagine any number things that don't exist in it. As the human mind is like a world in it's own right, we should expect the basic mathematical ordering of the human mind to be the same as the basic mathematical ordering of the universe. A computersimulation of the universe would also have the same basic mathematical ordering as the universe.

If the DNA system is a basic intelligence, then it should have the same basic ordering as the universe does. And the evidence shows that the basic ordering of the dna system is the same as the basic ordering of the universe. As a fractal the basic ordering of the universe repeats itself in nature, it is the most natural ordering there is.

Therefore, the dna system first generates a representation of the adult organism, and then it guides development to adulthood according to that representation. Or the dna system generates an anticipation of the adult organism, as a possibility in the future, and development is guided by this anticipation.

The intelligent design of the organism occurs in the dna world, as like the watchmaker chooses the design in the world of the human mind.

The dna system does not just form organisms, as it is an insipient intelligence, it is also used for information processing. Single cell organisms use the dna system to process information about their enironment.

The human brain is an extension of the information processing capability of the dna system. That is how we can have biological information in our mind. It seems to be true one has the basic information of the shape of the opposite sex biologically, even without having seen it.

So intelligent design explains functionally integrated complexity of organisms, it explains development of organisms to adulthood, it explains abiogenesis (as the dna system is a fractal repeating pattern of the basic ordering of the universe), it explains sense information processing. Intelligent design is the theory that ties all of biology together, making sense of it.
Eduk
Posts: 2466
Joined: December 8th, 2016, 7:08 am
Favorite Philosopher: Socrates

Re: Intelligent design

Post by Eduk »

Do biologists agree with you? Are they doing biology if they don't agree with you? How much better would they do biology if they did agree with you? What advancements have biologists made whom do agree with you?
Unknown means unknown.
Syamsu
Posts: 2645
Joined: December 9th, 2011, 4:45 pm

Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu »

Cancer in general could be a distortion in the signal the dna system produces, sending out the information of the adult form. So basically one could possibly cure cancer with intelligent design theory.
User avatar
LuckyR
Moderator
Posts: 7932
Joined: January 18th, 2015, 1:16 am

Re: Intelligent design

Post by LuckyR »

Hhmmm... if sketchy analogies qualify as "100 percent proven fact" then that is further "proof" that we are truly in the Post Factual era.
"As usual... it depends."
Eduk
Posts: 2466
Joined: December 8th, 2016, 7:08 am
Favorite Philosopher: Socrates

Re: Intelligent design

Post by Eduk »

Aww come on Syamsu. I asked you five questions. You've not really answered any of them. I asked what advancements they had made not what advancements they might make. Not to rule out the potential of course.
Unknown means unknown.
Syamsu
Posts: 2645
Joined: December 9th, 2011, 4:45 pm

Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu »

Science is presently full of materialist nuts, who do everything to get away from the spirit choosing. It is why they devised many universe theory. Instead of the spirit making one of alternative futures the present, they surmise two different universes, so to avoid the spirit choosing. And then there are postmodernist nuts asserting the gender bias towards men in mathematics theory. Then there is an epidemic of mental illness among students, because they all suck at subjectivity, because subjectivity is a creationist concept, and creationism is outlawed. Creationism is the saviour of science. Social darwinism = evolution theory, is the anti thesis of science. There is no law of change operating in the universe. The comparisons between organisms are all in the human mind, evolution theory is just an interpretative framework. Creation, intelligent design is real.
Syamsu
Posts: 2645
Joined: December 9th, 2011, 4:45 pm

Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu »

You and people like you are the explanation why there is no advancement. Creationism is outlawed in 99 percent of universities. Evolutionists are fascists you know, who don't accept freedom of opinion, so they outlawed creationism.
User avatar
LuckyR
Moderator
Posts: 7932
Joined: January 18th, 2015, 1:16 am

Re: Intelligent design

Post by LuckyR »

Syamsu wrote: October 12th, 2018, 11:34 am You and people like you are the explanation why there is no advancement. Creationism is outlawed in 99 percent of universities. Evolutionists are fascists you know, who don't accept freedom of opinion, so they outlawed creationism.
Hhmmm... sky fairy believers are not particularly known for their tolerance of those who disagree, so I wouldn't go there, since history disproves your opinion with more than "100 percent proven fact".
"As usual... it depends."
Eduk
Posts: 2466
Joined: December 8th, 2016, 7:08 am
Favorite Philosopher: Socrates

Re: Intelligent design

Post by Eduk »

Let us imagine that the answer to my last question regarding advancement of Biology by intelligent design proponents was that they had made no advancements. Would this, hypothetical, answer damage your claims? Or would your claims remain strong?
Unknown means unknown.
Syamsu
Posts: 2645
Joined: December 9th, 2011, 4:45 pm

Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu »

History shows that the people who don't even accept freedom is a reality of physics also throw out freedom in politics, when push comes to shove.
Syamsu
Posts: 2645
Joined: December 9th, 2011, 4:45 pm

Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu »

Intelligence is a complicated issue. With intelligent design theory the problems are all up front to get it started.
Eduk
Posts: 2466
Joined: December 8th, 2016, 7:08 am
Favorite Philosopher: Socrates

Re: Intelligent design

Post by Eduk »

Do you always struggle to answer questions?
Unknown means unknown.
Syamsu
Posts: 2645
Joined: December 9th, 2011, 4:45 pm

Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu »

Are you just a moron about choice, inteliigent design, freedom, or are you a moron about every issue?
User avatar
Burning ghost
Posts: 3065
Joined: February 27th, 2016, 3:10 am

Re: Intelligent design

Post by Burning ghost »

Syamsu wrote: October 12th, 2018, 2:01 pm Are you just a moron about choice, inteliigent design, freedom, or are you a moron about every issue?
When someone is trying to help calling them “a moron” is not going to help matters.

Eduk asked some simple questions. The OP is still quite scattered and confused so you should take what can get.
Eduk wrote: October 12th, 2018, 11:00 am Do biologists agree with you? Are they doing biology if they don't agree with you? How much better would they do biology if they did agree with you? What advancements have biologists made whom do agree with you?
If he’s taking the time to converse with you it wouldn’t hurt if you could attempt to answer his questions or at least express in a civil way why you aren’t going to.
AKA badgerjelly
Syamsu
Posts: 2645
Joined: December 9th, 2011, 4:45 pm

Re: Intelligent design

Post by Syamsu »

Is just another atheist, materialist hack playing games. No meanigful argument will ever come from him. And you disallowed calling a generalized structure of creation theory, creationism. That's also just playing games.

Only creationists understand the procedure to prime emotions for honesty and fairness in debate, pay attention to it. Materialists ignore their own emotions, they just focus on the sceintific method. They bring reeking emotional attitudes to debate, they are totally controlled by their prejudices.
Post Reply

Return to “Philosophy of Science”

2023/2024 Philosophy Books of the Month

Entanglement - Quantum and Otherwise

Entanglement - Quantum and Otherwise
by John K Danenbarger
January 2023

Mark Victor Hansen, Relentless: Wisdom Behind the Incomparable Chicken Soup for the Soul

Mark Victor Hansen, Relentless: Wisdom Behind the Incomparable Chicken Soup for the Soul
by Mitzi Perdue
February 2023

Rediscovering the Wisdom of Human Nature: How Civilization Destroys Happiness

Rediscovering the Wisdom of Human Nature: How Civilization Destroys Happiness
by Chet Shupe
March 2023

The Unfakeable Code®

The Unfakeable Code®
by Tony Jeton Selimi
April 2023

The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are

The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are
by Alan Watts
May 2023

Killing Abel

Killing Abel
by Michael Tieman
June 2023

Reconfigurement: Reconfiguring Your Life at Any Stage and Planning Ahead

Reconfigurement: Reconfiguring Your Life at Any Stage and Planning Ahead
by E. Alan Fleischauer
July 2023

First Survivor: The Impossible Childhood Cancer Breakthrough

First Survivor: The Impossible Childhood Cancer Breakthrough
by Mark Unger
August 2023

Predictably Irrational

Predictably Irrational
by Dan Ariely
September 2023

Artwords

Artwords
by Beatriz M. Robles
November 2023

Fireproof Happiness: Extinguishing Anxiety & Igniting Hope

Fireproof Happiness: Extinguishing Anxiety & Igniting Hope
by Dr. Randy Ross
December 2023

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes
by Ali Master
February 2024

2022 Philosophy Books of the Month

Emotional Intelligence At Work

Emotional Intelligence At Work
by Richard M Contino & Penelope J Holt
January 2022

Free Will, Do You Have It?

Free Will, Do You Have It?
by Albertus Kral
February 2022

My Enemy in Vietnam

My Enemy in Vietnam
by Billy Springer
March 2022

2X2 on the Ark

2X2 on the Ark
by Mary J Giuffra, PhD
April 2022

The Maestro Monologue

The Maestro Monologue
by Rob White
May 2022

What Makes America Great

What Makes America Great
by Bob Dowell
June 2022

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!
by Jerry Durr
July 2022

Living in Color

Living in Color
by Mike Murphy
August 2022 (tentative)

The Not So Great American Novel

The Not So Great American Novel
by James E Doucette
September 2022

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches
by John N. (Jake) Ferris
October 2022

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All
by Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
November 2022

The Smartest Person in the Room: The Root Cause and New Solution for Cybersecurity

The Smartest Person in the Room
by Christian Espinosa
December 2022

2021 Philosophy Books of the Month

The Biblical Clock: The Untold Secrets Linking the Universe and Humanity with God's Plan

The Biblical Clock
by Daniel Friedmann
March 2021

Wilderness Cry: A Scientific and Philosophical Approach to Understanding God and the Universe

Wilderness Cry
by Dr. Hilary L Hunt M.D.
April 2021

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute
by Jeff Meyer
May 2021

Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power

Surviving the Business of Healthcare
by Barbara Galutia Regis M.S. PA-C
June 2021

Winning the War on Cancer: The Epic Journey Towards a Natural Cure

Winning the War on Cancer
by Sylvie Beljanski
July 2021

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream
by Dr Frank L Douglas
August 2021

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts
by Mark L. Wdowiak
September 2021

The Preppers Medical Handbook

The Preppers Medical Handbook
by Dr. William W Forgey M.D.
October 2021

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress: A Practical Guide

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress
by Dr. Gustavo Kinrys, MD
November 2021

Dream For Peace: An Ambassador Memoir

Dream For Peace
by Dr. Ghoulem Berrah
December 2021