Any practical use for Darwin's tree of life?
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Re: Any practical use for Darwin's tree of life?
I don't actually know what you are trying to say. For example I can't tell if it is those who believe in evolution who are brainwashed or those who don't.
So perhaps it's worth taking some time.
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Re: Any practical use for Darwin's tree of life?
Have you considered writing in your native language and then copying the whole thing into Google Translate? It would be interesting to see how well that works.
As an example, here is this post translated into French, using Google Translate:
Barata, je suis avec Eduk sur celui-ci. J'ai lu attentivement votre dernier message et j'aime bien la grammaire, mais je ne peux pas savoir qui vous critiquez ni ce que sont ces choses sur les grands-pères.
Avez-vous envisagé d'écrire dans votre langue maternelle, puis de copier le tout dans Google Translate? Il serait intéressant de voir si cela fonctionne bien.
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Re: Any practical use for Darwin's tree of life?
The above was a reply to Eduk, but I hope you don't mind me commenting.Romanz1 wrote:I encounter this sort of logical fallacy all the time from evolutionists. You make that mistake of conflating a USEFUL FACT with a USELESS CONCLUSION based on that fact. The USEFUL FACT is that humans and mice have similar genetics, which makes mice useful for testing human drugs on. The USELESS CONCLUSION is that humans and mice have similar genetics due to common descent.
It seems odd that you refer to "evolutionists" as if you are not one yourself. In this topic, you seem to have already stated that you believe the conclusions of the Theory of Evolution, regarding the origins of life, and that those conclusions are interesting. You just don't regard them as useful for what you regard as practical purposes. So you are an evolutionist, in the sense that you believe the factual claims that derive from that theory, aren't you? Or, to be an evolutionist, does one have to believe in the practical utility of the factual claims of a theory? If, for example, I can't find any practical use for the General Theory of Relativity, does that mean I'm not a General Relativist? Even if I believe it to be a factually accurate theory?
That's an interesting way to look at it. The world could have been create one second ago in such a way that it looks as though it was created 4.5 billion years ago. Humans and mice might have been created in their current forms in such a way that it looks as though they share a common ancestor.Think of it this way, mice are useful for testing human drugs on regardless of what one believes about the history of life - even if everyone believed the world was created one year ago, humans and mice would still have similar genetics and mice would be useful for testing human drugs on.
Would you regard these as useful ideas to entertain? If they are philosophically interesting, would you regard that as a use?
Do you think there might be a role for Occam's razor in this? If the world looks like it is more than one second old and mice look as though they have a common ancestor with humans, why not just go with it?
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Re: Any practical use for Darwin's tree of life?
sorry sir im out of logic and reasoning. you won i lost. so i quit. for there is no meaning in beating those horses who are already dead ( like you ) there is no gain in wasting time in this way.Steve3007 wrote: ↑November 28th, 2018, 5:18 am Barata, I'm with Eduk on this one. I carefully read your most recent post and I quite like the odd grammar, but I can't work out who it is you are criticising and what all that stuff about grandfathers is about.
Have you considered writing in your native language and then copying the whole thing into Google Translate? It would be interesting to see how well that works.
As an example, here is this post translated into French, using Google Translate:
Barata, je suis avec Eduk sur celui-ci. J'ai lu attentivement votre dernier message et j'aime bien la grammaire, mais je ne peux pas savoir qui vous critiquez ni ce que sont ces choses sur les grands-pères.
Avez-vous envisagé d'écrire dans votre langue maternelle, puis de copier le tout dans Google Translate? Il serait intéressant de voir si cela fonctionne bien.
and i was just passing the damn time. ( with your farce ) for it is fun ( indeed )
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Re: Any practical use for Darwin's tree of life?
It depends what you mean by "evolution", for in the biological sciences is refers to facts, such as a change in gene frequency within a population. On the other hand, the 'information' that humans and other primates share a common ancestor (macro-evolution) is useless in any practical sense.
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It sounds like you're saying that you're not going to be posting any more. That's a pity. I still don't know what you've been trying to say or what it is that you think I've won. Never mind. Adios.barata wrote:sorry sir im out of logic and reasoning. you won i lost. so i quit. for there is no meaning in beating those horses who are already dead ( like you ) there is no gain in wasting time in this way.
and i was just passing the damn time. ( with your farce ) for it is fun ( indeed )
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Re: Any practical use for Darwin's tree of life?
So you've said. But you've also said that doesn't stop it from being true and it doesn't stop it from being interesting, haven't you? Is being true and interesting a practical use?Romanz1 wrote:It depends what you mean by "evolution", for in the biological sciences is refers to facts, such as a change in gene frequency within a population. On the other hand, the 'information' that humans and other primates share a common ancestor (macro-evolution) is useless in any practical sense.
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Re: Any practical use for Darwin's tree of life?
Knowledge of spoons is useless. I can't eat soup with knowledge of a spoon.On the other hand, the 'information' that humans and other primates share a common ancestor (macro-evolution) is useless in any practical sense.
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What evidence do you have that is was the concept of Universal Common Ancestry that led scientists to using mice for testing?Eduk wrote: ↑November 28th, 2018, 4:18 amRomanz you are completely missing the point that I made earlier. Theories such as evolution lead research. They help to decide which theories are more or less likely and which research to undertake. Why assume a mouse and human have similar genetics unless you test them. Why test them if you have no belief they are similar.
I imagine mice would have been used for testing long before their genetics were known, because they are mammals, cheap, plentiful and considered nothing but pests.
... yet you can't provide even one example of a practical use in modern applied biology that owes its existence to the information that life on earth evolved from microbes.If the scientific consensus a hundred odd years ago was that animals were kinds and God did it. Then we wouldnt have modern biology.
How did the discovery of DNA and its function depend on the concept of a Universal Common Ancestor. or even the belief that humans evolved from a hominid?We wouldn't have discovered DNA or known what it did. Plus countless other advances.
Name one advance in applied biology that depends on the concept of UCA.
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You could have fooled me.
No.to be an evolutionist, does one have to believe in the practical utility of the factual claims of a theory?
IPlease note that none of your post actually has anything to do with the OP.
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Are saying you don't accept that all life on earth evolved from a microbe?barata wrote: ↑November 28th, 2018, 12:43 pmsorry sir im out of logic and reasoning. you won i lost. so i quit. for there is no meaning in beating those horses who are already dead ( like you ) there is no gain in wasting time in this way. and i was just passing the damn time. ( with your farce ) for it is fun ( indeed )
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Re: Any practical use for Darwin's tree of life?
An irrelevant analogy is not a practical use in applied science for the information that humans and primates share a common ancestor.
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