gater wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 3:58 pm
Creation - you are so confused - let me attempt to clear this up for you.
What do you think or believe that I am "so confused" about exactly?
I have understood, and thus known, what you have been talking about
gater wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 3:58 pm
To understand space, you must separate space from matter.
I already did this 'years' ago.
gater wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 3:58 pm
Now imagine empty area that continues forever - got that concept?
Of course I can imagine this. But 'obviously' this does 'not' actually exist.
gater wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 3:58 pmThat is what space is - nothing more that empty area that continues forever.
I have KNOWN that this is YOUR concept of 'space'. There is obviously an empty area surrounding objects and an empty area between objects, but there is also 'obviously' NO "empty area" that continues forever.
One, however, might surmise that from the very "last" objects from earth, if that could ever been known, and from a particular direction from there, then there is an "empty area of space" that continues on forever, but obviously that is just pure speculation, which may well never be able to be proven true nor falsified. This is just all conjecture and guessing.
I have been questioning you about how 'space' can, in the truest of sense, continue forever 'because' there are 'objects of matter' obviously interrupting your "continuous" aspect of "forever space"? This is 'not' a huge issue 'nor' is this a big deal. I am just highlighting the truth, as I see it.
gater wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 3:58 pm
This is an absolute fact - its true now, its always been true and it always will be true.
Yes the truth is; You 'say' that once you have separated space, from matter, and then you have imagined that that empty area continues forever, and that this concept, which obviously completely disregards all matter, itself, leads to the so called "absolute fact" that "space continues forever". So, the absolute fact is that this is what you 'say', but as for the fact that 'space', or an "empty area", could go on forever, is falsified by just the screen that you are looking at now. This screen is an object of matter, which has interrupted 'space', or and 'empty area', that could go on forever?
What I have done, which is obviously NOT what you do, is I look at ALL things, as they truly are, from a truly open perspective, and not just look at some things, as I want them to be, from my already held beliefs perspective.
To me, space and matter TOGETHER make up the Universe. The Universe is not bounded nor limited in size by anything. Therefore, in this sense, the Universe continues on forever. Always has and always will, in all ways, also, it might be argued. But because 'space', itself, is logically interrupted by the actual physical matter, which exists, then 'space' itself could not, in the truest sense, go on forever.
gater wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 3:58 pm
Nothing effects space just as nothing effects time.
Some would say that actually something does effect 'space' AND 'time'. That 'thing' just being 'matter', itself.
Does matter, by its very physical nature, effect 'space'?
And, if it was not for matter moving and/or changing, then would 'time' even then exist anyway?
gater wrote: ↑January 17th, 2020, 3:58 pm
Matter is another topic.
Is it?
What effects matter might be another topic, but 'matter', itself, has to be looked at in this topic IF you, as you have done, want to bring up and change this subject about how supposedly "nothing effects space nor time". The very reason WHY 'matter' has to be looked at now is because, from my perspective, matter does effect space and time.
Space would go on forever, if there was no matter, and, time would not have come to exist, if there was no matter.