How could something logically come from nothing?Steve3007 wrote: ↑January 11th, 2020, 6:17 amIf you regard this as magical thinking I presume that means you think we don't get something out of nothing.Atla wrote:Strong emergence. We get something out of nothing,
What is your evidence for supposing that we don't get something out of nothing - Is it logical or empirical? i.e. do you conclude this by deduction purely by thinking about it, in the absence of any sensations, or do you conclude it by induction, by spotting patterns in sensations?
Until that is answered, then logically everything comes from something else
Logically absolutely every thing came from at least two other things, which come together.
From observations and experience this can also be clearly seen to be. Obviously, ALL things come to exist, because of at least two things prior.
The model that supersedes all the other models is the one that forms a whole and full picture of ALL-THERE-IS. This picture is all so clear, because ALL the pieces of the puzzle fit perfectly together.Steve3007 wrote: ↑January 11th, 2020, 6:17 amThe act that you refer to as "zooming out and squinting" is a colloquial way of talking about reducing the range and accuracy of observations. Laws of physics are models, extrapolated from finite subsets of all possible observations. New observations, at new accuracy levels, are made as time goes by. Where the new observations don't fit the old model, a new model is created which fits all of the observations so far made and which includes the old model as a special case. i.e. you can derive the old model from the new one by making simplifying assumptions. ("assume the horse is spherical").So if I zoom out and squint this way, it's all 'real' and it's the classical world. If I zoom in and squint that way, none of it is 'real' and it's the quantum world.
This "model" already exists.
Observations continually being made, from the most accurate and advantages level, forms this big picture, which is continually becoming more crystal clear all the time. What is crystal clear becomes more crystal clear to another, and so on.
But why make any assumption at all?
Assumptions are not needed, and they also are a prevention from seeing far more clearly.
Because of assumptions human beings think or believe that quantum mechanics and classical physical are incompatible. But they are certainly not, that is; once you know how to see things how they truly are.