So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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Atla
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Re: So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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evolution wrote: May 30th, 2020, 9:11 pm
Atla wrote: May 30th, 2020, 9:47 am
A lie is a lie is a lie.
OF COURSE a lie is a lie. BUT, I asked you, WHERE IS THE SUPPOSED LIE?

You, ONCE AGAIN, failed to answer the clarifying question.

I suggest that if you want to make a claim here, then you have, at least, one thing to back up and support your claim BEFORE you make the actual claim.
Atla wrote: May 30th, 2020, 9:47 am Lying to most people is easy, manipulating most people is easy.
But 'lying' does NOT necessarily have to have absolutely anything at all to do with 'manipulating'.
Atla wrote: May 30th, 2020, 9:47 am It's just that some people have the decency not to resort to it. Not something you can understand, apparently.
Let us see if you have the decency to provide evidence for your allegations. If you think or believe that I have lied absolutely anywhere, then bring that forward for us to take a look at it.

Also, you have absolutely NO idea at all what the word 'manipulation' means, from the definition that I am using it here. In fact you are SHOWING that you have absolutely NO understanding of what is actually happening here now, and you NEVER will until you start asking some clarifying questions.
I understand what's happening here now just fine, thank you. :)
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Re: So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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Atla wrote: May 30th, 2020, 11:34 pm
evolution wrote: May 30th, 2020, 9:11 pm

OF COURSE a lie is a lie. BUT, I asked you, WHERE IS THE SUPPOSED LIE?

You, ONCE AGAIN, failed to answer the clarifying question.

I suggest that if you want to make a claim here, then you have, at least, one thing to back up and support your claim BEFORE you make the actual claim.



But 'lying' does NOT necessarily have to have absolutely anything at all to do with 'manipulating'.



Let us see if you have the decency to provide evidence for your allegations. If you think or believe that I have lied absolutely anywhere, then bring that forward for us to take a look at it.

Also, you have absolutely NO idea at all what the word 'manipulation' means, from the definition that I am using it here. In fact you are SHOWING that you have absolutely NO understanding of what is actually happening here now, and you NEVER will until you start asking some clarifying questions.
I understand what's happening here now just fine, thank you. :)
Great. So, you now want to say that you understand how I define the word 'manipulation' without you ever once asking a clarifying question, which is a fairly astonishing accomplishment on your part.

Also, what you say here now is also another way of 'trying to' get out of not providing any evidence to back up and support your allegations and claims.

Obviously until you do provide any evidence then what you have said will remain just an allegation. And, if you never provide any evidence, then that reveals more about you and your allegation, than about anything else.
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Re: So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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evolution wrote: May 31st, 2020, 1:53 am ...
I was wondering, is there a name for the condition where people genuinely believe that they are the universe speaking? Or is this a new one?
Some people literally believe that they are God speaking, that's not even that rare, but that's not quite the same thing.
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Re: So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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Atla wrote: May 31st, 2020, 2:05 am
evolution wrote: May 31st, 2020, 1:53 am ...
I was wondering, is there a name for the condition where people genuinely believe that they are the universe speaking? Or is this a new one?
Another one who instead of being capable of refuting or challenging what I actually say and mean, nor has even just asked me any clarifying questions instead reverts to self-composed idea, and then 'tries to' put it onto me.

Why not just look at and discuss what I actually write and say, instead of coming up with these fantasy conceptions?

Why do you, yourself, persist with this "the Universe speaking" conception, and instantly dismiss it and disbelieve it wholeheartedly? What even conceive up these types of ideas?
Atla wrote: May 31st, 2020, 2:05 am Some people literally believe that they are God speaking, that's not even that rare, but that's not quite the same thing.
And this is a complete distraction from what I have been talking about.

Why bring these ideas of yours and persist with them, and not persist with your most fanciful idea and belief that "the Universe is expanding", and that "the Universe actually began'? Why did you stop discussing those beliefs of yours and stop trying to logically reason them out?

You can try as hard as you like to 'try' and ridicule me by making up your own ideas and 'trying to' put them onto me. You can also 'try' and get as large a group as you like on "your side" and 'try' and put me down without ever actually discussing what I have been talking about, but who will be seen for who they truly are and be seen for what they are 'trying to' to do will become obvious.

'Try' and counter what I am actually writing, saying, and meaning, instead of attacking the person that you, yourself, are creating and conjuring up.
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evolution wrote: May 31st, 2020, 2:39 am who will be seen for who they truly are and be seen for what they are 'trying to' to do will become obvious.
Seen by whom, obvious to whom? :) Your imagined audience that is running this universe?
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Re: So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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Atla wrote: May 31st, 2020, 3:19 am
evolution wrote: May 31st, 2020, 2:39 am who will be seen for who they truly are and be seen for what they are 'trying to' to do will become obvious.
Seen by whom, obvious to whom? :)
By whoever sees it.
Atla wrote: May 31st, 2020, 3:19 am Your imagined audience that is running this universe?
Again, what is it with you and this "speaking Universe", which is now, according to your imagination, being run by someone or something?
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Re: So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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evolution wrote: May 31st, 2020, 3:27 am
Atla wrote: May 31st, 2020, 3:19 am
Seen by whom, obvious to whom? :)
By whoever sees it.
Atla wrote: May 31st, 2020, 3:19 am Your imagined audience that is running this universe?
Again, what is it with you and this "speaking Universe", which is now, according to your imagination, being run by someone or something?
Well why do you keep switching back and forth between speaking as the human and speaking as the universe then? :)
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Re: So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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Atla wrote: May 31st, 2020, 3:29 am
evolution wrote: May 31st, 2020, 3:27 am

By whoever sees it.



Again, what is it with you and this "speaking Universe", which is now, according to your imagination, being run by someone or something?
Well why do you keep switching back and forth between speaking as the human and speaking as the universe then? :)
Do you sometimes speak from the human perspective and at other times speak from an absolute or universal true perspective?
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Re: So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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evolution wrote: May 31st, 2020, 4:07 am
Atla wrote: May 31st, 2020, 3:29 am
Well why do you keep switching back and forth between speaking as the human and speaking as the universe then? :)
Do you sometimes speak from the human perspective and at other times speak from an absolute or universal true perspective?
No, there is no absolute or universal true perspective.
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Re: So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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Atla wrote: May 31st, 2020, 4:10 am
evolution wrote: May 31st, 2020, 4:07 am

Do you sometimes speak from the human perspective and at other times speak from an absolute or universal true perspective?
No, there is no absolute or universal true perspective.
Then, that is NOT an absolute nor universal true perspective as well, and therefore could just be completely FALSE, WRONG, and INCORRECT.

That is just your own personal human perspective of things.

Are ALL of your human perspectives on things ALWAYS true, right, and correct?

If no, then what you just claimed then could be false, wrong, and/or incorrect.

So, what is the actual use in speaking from the human perspective only, when on absolutely EVERY occasion you speak and claim things you could be false, wrong, and/or incorrect anyway?

If you do not yet know what is absolutely nor universally true, then you obviously would NEVER know if you were right or wrong, correct or incorrect, nor what you were saying was either true or false either, correct?
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evolution wrote: May 31st, 2020, 4:23 am If no, then what you just claimed then could be false, wrong, and/or incorrect.

So, what is the actual use in speaking from the human perspective only, when on absolutely EVERY occasion you speak and claim things you could be false, wrong, and/or incorrect anyway?

If you do not yet know what is absolutely nor universally true, then you obviously would NEVER know if you were right or wrong, correct or incorrect, nor what you were saying was either true or false either, correct?
That's right. But you still can't speak from an absolute or universal true perspective.
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Re: So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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Atla wrote: May 31st, 2020, 4:29 am
evolution wrote: May 31st, 2020, 4:23 am If no, then what you just claimed then could be false, wrong, and/or incorrect.

So, what is the actual use in speaking from the human perspective only, when on absolutely EVERY occasion you speak and claim things you could be false, wrong, and/or incorrect anyway?

If you do not yet know what is absolutely nor universally true, then you obviously would NEVER know if you were right or wrong, correct or incorrect, nor what you were saying was either true or false either, correct?
That's right. But you still can't speak from an absolute or universal true perspective.
LOL, once again, this obviously could be false, wrong, and incorrect.
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Re: So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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evolution wrote: May 31st, 2020, 5:16 am
Atla wrote: May 31st, 2020, 4:29 am
That's right. But you still can't speak from an absolute or universal true perspective.
LOL, once again, this obviously could be false, wrong, and incorrect.
Yes, but you are a human, not the universe or God, so you can't tell.
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Re: So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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evolution wrote: May 30th, 2020, 9:12 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: May 30th, 2020, 9:52 am

There's a "bold" option, too. And then you could add exclamation marks.
What for?
Even more animated, hyper-looking responses.
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Re: So-called evidence of a parallel universe

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Atla wrote: May 31st, 2020, 5:32 am
evolution wrote: May 31st, 2020, 5:16 am

LOL, once again, this obviously could be false, wrong, and incorrect.
Yes, but you are a human, not the universe or God, so you can't tell.
As long as you know and admit that what you are saying could be false, wrong, and/or incorrect, then that is perfectly fine with me.

And, if you still do not know how to actually distinguish between what is false and true, right and wrong, and correct and incorrect, then that is perfectly fine with me as well.
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