Aristotle's The Unmoved Mover

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Aristotle's The Unmoved Mover

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Some people view the world and how is works as a series of causes and effects, with one thing causing another thing, which in turn causes something else, which in turn causes yet another thing, like the butterfly effect(not the movie). Similarly, you can look at the universe as a series of causes and effects. However, if you go all the beginning, you seem to come to a first thing, which itself has no cause. What was this first event, this effect that has no cause, this mover of occurrences who has itself never been moved? Is it God? An external force such as the Big Bang? And how does the universe exists?
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WanderingGaze22 wrote: December 8th, 2021, 4:22 am Some people view the world and how is works as a series of causes and effects, with one thing causing another thing, which in turn causes something else, which in turn causes yet another thing, like the butterfly effect(not the movie). Similarly, you can look at the universe as a series of causes and effects. However, if you go all the beginning, you seem to come to a first thing, which itself has no cause. What was this first event, this effect that has no cause, this mover of occurrences who has itself never been moved? Is it God? An external force such as the Big Bang? And how does the universe exists?
Since this is a science thread, Hawking, in his book 'A brief History of Time' infamously wondered what 'breathes fire into the equations'. As such, the notion of a prime mover or first cause (cause behind the BB theory) has puzzled science/physics for centuries... .

Philosophically, using logic, the most we have is the notion of a necessary being (cosmological argument, ontological argument, etc.). However, since human consciousness itself is beyond pure reason (yet exists), understanding the nature of existence becomes somewhat illogical, and beyond or transcends that same sense of reason. As it should be.

Perhaps this 'moving force or particle' (thing-in-itself) has some semblance of the 'God particle'/Higgs Boson energy field... .
“Concerning matter, we have been all wrong. What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses. There is no matter.” "Spooky Action at a Distance"
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What if there is only a continuous dynamic flow which never had a beginning, of which the Big Bang, which hasn't actually been confirmed as THE BEGINNING, is merely a manifestation? The Unmoved Move paradigm is simply based on a cause & effect motive, an archetype which amounts to a humanly devised sequential view of understanding vis-a-vie a holistic one where cause and effect motives were never part of the equation.
The earth has a skin and that skin has diseases; one of its diseases is called man ... Nietzsche
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Tegularius wrote: December 8th, 2021, 3:12 pm What if there is only a continuous dynamic flow which never had a beginning, of which the Big Bang, which hasn't actually been confirmed as THE BEGINNING, is merely a manifestation? The Unmoved Move paradigm is simply based on a cause & effect motive, an archetype which amounts to a humanly devised sequential view of understanding vis-a-vie a holistic one where cause and effect motives were never part of the equation.
That's a wonderful question, indeed the BB is only a theory....a couple thoughts:

1. If there is an ever expanding universe (multiverse, etc.) and we are just a bubble/baby universe as part of an eternally expanding system, then too, the idea of 'eternity' makes a bit more sense.
2. Nonetheless, causation would still rear its head because we would still wonder who, what, where, why... caused eternity.

As an ancillary note (I should say on a metaphysical note), one's own sense of wonderment itself (the synthetic a priori) doesn't seem to be necessary to survive in the jungle, when otherwise instinct is all that's needed. And Not to digress further, but what causes one to wonder about causation in the first place(?).
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WanderingGaze22 wrote: December 8th, 2021, 4:22 am Some people view the world and how is works as a series of causes and effects, with one thing causing another thing, which in turn causes something else, which in turn causes yet another thing, like the butterfly effect(not the movie). Similarly, you can look at the universe as a series of causes and effects. However, if you go all the beginning, you seem to come to a first thing, which itself has no cause. What was this first event, this effect that has no cause, this mover of occurrences who has itself never been moved? Is it God? An external force such as the Big Bang? And how does the universe exists?
The first thing was the the Planck-sized quantum bubble. Time went back and forth, as seen from us.. It was the perfect clock. Perfect clocks don't exist in the realm of entropic time and entropic time didn't exist in the realm of the perfect clock. CT/Et duality.
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