Are we finally approaching the end of physics?

[Pattern-chaser]

Well, I didn't say that the objective story (which I have) is a sine qua non for everyone. The objective story is subjective, and claiming something is objectively true is a human need.

You claim objectivity, and then you state that "claiming something is objectively true is a human need". No, it isn't. It's a factual claim that cannot be proven, and so, "need" or not, it is incorrect and misleading to make such a claim. Those who claim objectivity for their views are simply trying to gain the authority of objectivity to back up their claims. Maybe that's because those claims are unfounded?

[Raymond]

Well, I didn't say that the objective story (which I have) is a sine qua non for everyone. The objective story is subjective, and claiming something is objectively true is a human need.

You claim objectivity, and then you state that "claiming something is objectively true is a human need". No, it isn't. It's a factual claim that cannot be proven, and so, "need" or not, it is incorrect and misleading to make such a claim. Those who claim objectivity for their views are simply trying to gain the authority of objectivity to back up their claims. Maybe that's because those claims are unfounded?

Who says I claim authority? I just think my view is true objectively. What's wrong with that?

[Atla]

Where does theoretical physics stand after the end of the second decade of the 21st century? Are we finally approaching the end of physics, when the rich tapestry of the universe will be revealed to us and we will finally understand the true nature of reality?

Not still approaching. The goal is reached my dear! And the sight is a beautiful one. The universe is a beautiful structure. It's a 7d space of which three are curled up to the tiny Planck-sized circles. An apparent 4d space. On this infinite 4d space two 3d spaces come into being periodically. There are in fact two of these infinite spaces connected by a tiny wormhole, the central singularity. On both sides of this wormhole, a universe is periodically spit into existence. Two mirrored universes (duality!). Both contain equal amounts of preons and anti preons, but differently arranged. Quarks and leptons in our universe, antiquarks and anti leptons on the other side. A neutrino, an electron, a proton, and a neutron together contain the same preons as their antis contain.

All particles in the universe will one day annihalate (remember there are equal amounts of preons and anti preons). Only photons will be left. A sign for the central singularity to spit out two new universes. A new show begins for the gods to look at, projected on the eternal heavenly heavens.

Doesn't it bother you that in this picture, we keep getting something from nothing, as time progresses?

[Raymond]

'Doesn't it bother you that in this picture, we keep getting something from nothing, as time progresses?"

What do you mean? That new particles are pulled from the virtual state at the singularity? Isn't that a positive feature? There is no contradiction with conservation of energy.

[Atla]

'Doesn't it bother you that in this picture, we keep getting something from nothing, as time progresses?"

What do you mean? That new particles are pulled from the virtual state at the singularity? Isn't that a positive feature? There is no contradiction with conservation of energy.

You mean in the end the photons return to virtual state or how does it work?

[Raymond]

'Doesn't it bother you that in this picture, we keep getting something from nothing, as time progresses?"

What do you mean? That new particles are pulled from the virtual state at the singularity? Isn't that a positive feature? There is no contradiction with conservation of energy.

You mean in the end the photons return to virtual state or how does it work?

Allow me. Imagine two spatially infinite spaces connected by a small wormhole with a Planck-sized "throat". Say the eye of a 4d torus., but the outside of the torus cut open. Around this mouth two 3d universes can inflate away periodically. Each time a new big bang lets a new time start. On both sides of the hole equal amounts of matter and antimatter appear in the 3d universes but they are arranged in electrons, neutrons, protons, and neutrinos on our side, while on the other side their antis are present. Al theses particles annihilate in the future leaving nothing but timeless photons diluting into nothingness as the two 3d universes accelerate towards infinity. Then back at the origin, the situation is such that two new 3d universes inflate into real existence. Like an eternally pumping heart. Each new pair of universes containing different stories for all of us, for all beings!

[Atla]

'Doesn't it bother you that in this picture, we keep getting something from nothing, as time progresses?"

What do you mean? That new particles are pulled from the virtual state at the singularity? Isn't that a positive feature? There is no contradiction with conservation of energy.

You mean in the end the photons return to virtual state or how does it work?

Allow me. Imagine two spatially infinite spaces connected by a small wormhole with a Planck-sized "throat". Say the eye of a 4d torus., but the outside of the torus cut open. Around this mouth two 3d universes can inflate away periodically. Each time a new big bang lets a new time start. On both sides of the hole equal amounts of matter and antimatter appear in the 3d universes but they are arranged in electrons, neutrons, protons, and neutrinos on our side, while on the other side their antis are present. Al theses particles annihilate in the future leaving nothing but timeless photons diluting into nothingness as the two 3d universes accelerate towards infinity. Then back at the origin, the situation is such that two new 3d universes inflate into real existence. Like an eternally pumping heart. Each new pair of universes containing different stories for all of us, for all beings!

Yeah but diluting those photons across an infinite space doesn't mean that they disappear, it only means that their presence tends to zero, no?

[Raymond]

'Doesn't it bother you that in this picture, we keep getting something from nothing, as time progresses?"

What do you mean? That new particles are pulled from the virtual state at the singularity? Isn't that a positive feature? There is no contradiction with conservation of energy.

You mean in the end the photons return to virtual state or how does it work?

Allow me. Imagine two spatially infinite spaces connected by a small wormhole with a Planck-sized "throat". Say the eye of a 4d torus., but the outside of the torus cut open. Around this mouth two 3d universes can inflate away periodically. Each time a new big bang lets a new time start. On both sides of the hole equal amounts of matter and antimatter appear in the 3d universes but they are arranged in electrons, neutrons, protons, and neutrinos on our side, while on the other side their antis are present. Al theses particles annihilate in the future leaving nothing but timeless photons diluting into nothingness as the two 3d universes accelerate towards infinity. Then back at the origin, the situation is such that two new 3d universes inflate into real existence. Like an eternally pumping heart. Each new pair of universes containing different stories for all of us, for all beings!

Yeah but diluting those photons across an infinite space doesn't mean that they disappear, it only means that their presence tends to zero, no?

Yes. Their total energy is "stretched" towards zero if the both universes accelerate towards infinity on the 4d spatial substrates ,(the two parts of the 4d open "torus"). But there are no more matter particles left, only gauge particles, photons. If our universe has inflated away towards infinity, "behind" us at the wormhole singularity, two new universes inflate into existence. I haven't heard a good argument against it yet. I even have tried to contact Tamara David (?) and Carroll. Both didn't respond. Harari though responded!

[Atla]

You mean in the end the photons return to virtual state or how does it work?

Allow me. Imagine two spatially infinite spaces connected by a small wormhole with a Planck-sized "throat". Say the eye of a 4d torus., but the outside of the torus cut open. Around this mouth two 3d universes can inflate away periodically. Each time a new big bang lets a new time start. On both sides of the hole equal amounts of matter and antimatter appear in the 3d universes but they are arranged in electrons, neutrons, protons, and neutrinos on our side, while on the other side their antis are present. Al theses particles annihilate in the future leaving nothing but timeless photons diluting into nothingness as the two 3d universes accelerate towards infinity. Then back at the origin, the situation is such that two new 3d universes inflate into real existence. Like an eternally pumping heart. Each new pair of universes containing different stories for all of us, for all beings!

Yeah but diluting those photons across an infinite space doesn't mean that they disappear, it only means that their presence tends to zero, no?

Yes. Their total energy is "stretched" towards zero if the both universes accelerate towards infinity on the 4d spatial substrates ,(the two parts of the 4d open "torus"). But there are no more matter particles left, only gauge particles, photons. If our universe has inflated away towards infinity, "behind" us at the wormhole singularity, two new universes inflate into existence. I haven't heard a good argument against it yet. I even have tried to contact Tamara David (?) and Carroll. Both didn't respond. Harari though responded!

And where do we get the infinite force from (dark energy?), that stretches their energy towards zero?

I mean it's pretty common to think that our universe looks like a big fluctuation, and our observable universe should have a perfect anti-pair, or at least the other half of the universe should be antimatter. But I don't see why we should place this thing into time and a chain of created universes, time is probably internal to the universe not external. Your dark energy also seems to be an unnecessary external factor. And these "leftovers" like photons also seem to be symmetry-breaking, something from nothing.

[Raymond]

Allow me. Imagine two spatially infinite spaces connected by a small wormhole with a Planck-sized "throat". Say the eye of a 4d torus., but the outside of the torus cut open. Around this mouth two 3d universes can inflate away periodically. Each time a new big bang lets a new time start. On both sides of the hole equal amounts of matter and antimatter appear in the 3d universes but they are arranged in electrons, neutrons, protons, and neutrinos on our side, while on the other side their antis are present. Al theses particles annihilate in the future leaving nothing but timeless photons diluting into nothingness as the two 3d universes accelerate towards infinity. Then back at the origin, the situation is such that two new 3d universes inflate into real existence. Like an eternally pumping heart. Each new pair of universes containing different stories for all of us, for all beings!

Yeah but diluting those photons across an infinite space doesn't mean that they disappear, it only means that their presence tends to zero, no?

Yes. Their total energy is "stretched" towards zero if the both universes accelerate towards infinity on the 4d spatial substrates ,(the two parts of the 4d open "torus"). But there are no more matter particles left, only gauge particles, photons. If our universe has inflated away towards infinity, "behind" us at the wormhole singularity, two new universes inflate into existence. I haven't heard a good argument against it yet. I even have tried to contact Tamara David (?) and Carroll. Both didn't respond. Harari though responded!

And where do we get the infinite force from (dark energy?), that stretches their energy towards zero?

I mean it's pretty common to think that our universe looks like a big fluctuation, and our observable universe should have a perfect anti-pair, or at least the other half of the universe should be antimatter. But I don't see why we should place this thing into time and a chain of created universes, time is probably internal to the universe not external. Your dark energy also seems to be an unnecessary external factor. And these "leftovers" like photons also seem to be symmetry-breaking, something from nothing.

Well, the dark energy could be provided by the negative curvature of the underlying 4d space. Say, so you can imagine, the inside part of a torus. That's negatively curved and the particles could be inflated from the center of the hole, in this 2d model 2 1d circles emerging from the mouth, to both sides. These two 1d circles would represent the two 3d universes on a 4d open torus. The negative curvature around the mouth of the torus can serve as dark energy. Virtual particles are pulled into a real pair of particles and as galaxies move further from each other the negative curvature will play a larger and larger role again. After inflation the real particles contributed positively to the curvature, if we assume gravity can affect the whole 4d space.

[Atla]

Yeah but diluting those photons across an infinite space doesn't mean that they disappear, it only means that their presence tends to zero, no?

Yes. Their total energy is "stretched" towards zero if the both universes accelerate towards infinity on the 4d spatial substrates ,(the two parts of the 4d open "torus"). But there are no more matter particles left, only gauge particles, photons. If our universe has inflated away towards infinity, "behind" us at the wormhole singularity, two new universes inflate into existence. I haven't heard a good argument against it yet. I even have tried to contact Tamara David (?) and Carroll. Both didn't respond. Harari though responded!

And where do we get the infinite force from (dark energy?), that stretches their energy towards zero?

I mean it's pretty common to think that our universe looks like a big fluctuation, and our observable universe should have a perfect anti-pair, or at least the other half of the universe should be antimatter. But I don't see why we should place this thing into time and a chain of created universes, time is probably internal to the universe not external. Your dark energy also seems to be an unnecessary external factor. And these "leftovers" like photons also seem to be symmetry-breaking, something from nothing.

Well, the dark energy could be provided by the negative curvature of the underlying 4d space. Say, so you can imagine, the inside part of a torus. That's negatively curved and the particles could be inflated from the center of the hole, in this 2d model 2 1d circles emerging from the mouth, to both sides. These two 1d circles would represent the two 3d universes on a 4d open torus. The negative curvature around the mouth of the torus can serve as dark energy. Virtual particles are pulled into a real pair of particles and as galaxies move further from each other the negative curvature will play a larger and larger role again. After inflation the real particles contributed positively to the curvature, if we assume gravity can affect the whole 4d space.

And then looks like we'd need another 4d space with positive curvature for symmetry..

[Raymond]

"And then looks like we'd need another 4d space with positive curvature for symmetry.."

Why? Isn't a torus symmetric wrt a mirror slicing it in halve?

[Atla]

"And then looks like we'd need another 4d space with positive curvature for symmetry.."

Why? Isn't a torus symmetric wrt a mirror slicing it in halve?

I mean if we come up with and underlying dark energy, we should also come up with an underlying anti-dark energy.

[Raymond]

"And then looks like we'd need another 4d space with positive curvature for symmetry.."

Why? Isn't a torus symmetric wrt a mirror slicing it in halve?

I mean if we come up with and underlying dark energy, we should also come up with an underlying anti-dark energy.

Anti dark energy is just normal gravity. If the matter is pushed into real existence, the underlying 4d space is negatively curved on both sides of the tiny wormhole. When the virtual matter is realized it contributes positively to the negative curvature. Only when the matter is accelerated away to infinity, the central singularity is negatively curved enough again to let two new 3d universes inflate from virtuality into reality.

So the negative curvature of empty space at the central singularity constitutes dark energy and dependent on the previous two universes, the negative curvature there will get strong enough for a new dawn of thermodynamic time, i.e. when the matter in the two previous universes has accelerated to infinity.

Could it be? Maybe the natural state of the vacuum is such a open 4d torus. The time on the mouth fluctuates up and down and then, over and over again, BANG! Could it be? What makes matter stick to the 3d subspace of the 4d bulk substrate? There are ways.

[Atla]

Anti dark energy is just normal gravity.

Then they would cancel each other out but they don't.