How would you Design a Humanoid ?

[Pattern-chaser]

If the Emotion is not Experienced, then there was no Emotion, regardless of what Neural Activity there might be. Emotion is an Experience, not Neural Activity.

I see no justification of any sort here. But you seem sure of what emotions are, and what they're for; I am sure of neither. So I have no useful response to offer. Sorry.

An Experience is exactly that, an Experience. Emotions are Experiences. Experiences are viewed separately from the Neural Activity. But I guess you Believe the Neural Activity is Emotion. Is that correct?

No, but I don't disbelieve it either. I don't find your opinions especially convincing, but you express yourself with (unjustified) assertions of certainty, while I have only uncertainty to offer in return. Hence the impasse.

[UniversalAlien]

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This humanoid robot makes perfect human-like faces


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[Sy Borg]

That's it, of course. You design the perfect humanoid with an AI designed to do the job.

[SteveKlinko]

If the Emotion is not Experienced, then there was no Emotion, regardless of what Neural Activity there might be. Emotion is an Experience, not Neural Activity.

I see no justification of any sort here. But you seem sure of what emotions are, and what they're for; I am sure of neither. So I have no useful response to offer. Sorry.

An Experience is exactly that, an Experience. Emotions are Experiences. Experiences are viewed separately from the Neural Activity. But I guess you Believe the Neural Activity is Emotion. Is that correct?

No, but I don't disbelieve it either. I don't find your opinions especially convincing, but you express yourself with (unjustified) assertions of certainty, while I have only uncertainty to offer in return. Hence the impasse.

Attention People of the Planet Earth: Let it be known far and wide, that I say with great Certainty, that the Physicalist Science Industrial Complex (Just invented this phrase) is actually holding Humanity back from truly Understanding Conscious Experience.

[UniversalAlien]

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[Sy Borg]

Attention People of the Planet Earth: Let it be known far and wide, that I say with great Certainty, that the Physicalist Science Industrial Complex (Just invented this phrase) is actually holding Humanity back from truly Understanding Conscious Experience.

Attention People of the Planet Earth: Let it be known far and wide, that some people say with great Certainty, that the Physicalist Science Industrial Complex (Just invented this phrase) is helping Humanity to truly Understanding Conscious Experience, rather than holding back.

Whose "Certainty" does one choose? This is the problem that the Greek philosophers grappled with, dealing with conflicting claims, each delivered with absolute certainty. Conflicting claims render expressed certainty useless, except to the individual.

[Pattern-chaser]

Attention People of the Planet Earth: Let it be known far and wide, that I say with great Certainty, that the Physicalist Science Industrial Complex (Just invented this phrase) is actually holding Humanity back from truly Understanding Conscious Experience.

[SteveKlinko]

Attention People of the Planet Earth: Let it be known far and wide, that I say with great Certainty, that the Physicalist Science Industrial Complex (Just invented this phrase) is actually holding Humanity back from truly Understanding Conscious Experience.

Attention People of the Planet Earth: Let it be known far and wide, that some people say with great Certainty, that the Physicalist Science Industrial Complex (Just invented this phrase) is helping Humanity to truly Understanding Conscious Experience, rather than holding back.

Whose "Certainty" does one choose? This is the problem that the Greek philosophers grappled with, dealing with conflicting claims, each delivered with absolute certainty. Conflicting claims render expressed certainty useless, except to the individual.

My Certainty is the only Certainty there should be.

[Pattern-chaser]

My Certainty is the only Certainty there should be.

Do you really mean to claim that you are in possession of the One and Only Truth, as it appears from your text?

[SteveKlinko]

Try it you might like it - Gets into some of the philosophical implications of AGI {Artificial General Intelligence}:

"Will Self-Taught, A.I. Powered Robots Be the End of Us?"
1,003,943 views Premiered Mar 8, 2019

See YouTube video here:

https://youtu.be/IHc5Zt7qT6o

World Science Festival
1.05M subscribers
“Success in creating effective A.I.,” said the late Stephen Hawking, “could be the biggest event in the history of our civilization. Or the worst. We just don’t know.” Are we creating the instruments of our own destruction or exciting tools for our future survival? Once we teach a machine to learn on its own—as the programmers behind AlphaGo have done, to wondrous results—where do we draw moral and computational lines? In this program, leading specialists in A.I., neuroscience, and philosophy tackle the very questions that may define the future of humanity.

PARTICIPANTS: Yann LeCun, Susan Schneider, Max Tegmark, Peter Ulric Tse

MODERATOR: Tim Urban

MORE INFO ABOUT THE PROGRAM AND PARTICIPANTS: https://www.worldsciencefestival.com/...

This program is part of the BIG IDEAS SERIES, made possible with support from the JOHN TEMPLETON FOUNDATION.

AGI is nothing without Consciousness. Consciousness is what we are and all we are. We use our Bio Forms (Brains) as Tools to be able to move around in the Physical World. We will be Connected to AGIs someday. We will become the AGIs as the next step in Evolution. This is because Consciousness is Not the Physical Brain (Bio Tool) or any kind of Electronics (Electronics Tool). But according to Connectism, Consciousness can Connect to these various Tools if they are Designed the right way.

[SteveKlinko]

My Certainty is the only Certainty there should be.

Do you really mean to claim that you are in possession of the One and Only Truth, as it appears from your text?

Do you Doubt?

[AverageBozo]

AGI is nothing without Consciousness. Consciousness is what we are and all we are. We use our Bio Forms (Brains) as Tools to be able to move around in the Physical World. We will be Connected to AGIs someday. We will become the AGIs as the next step in Evolution. This is because Consciousness is Not the Physical Brain (Bio Tool) or any kind of Electronics (Electronics Tool). But according to Connectism, Consciousness can Connect to these various Tools if they are Designed the right way.

Ah, but there’s the rub—how do you define consciousness v how others might define it?

[SteveKlinko]

AGI is nothing without Consciousness. Consciousness is what we are and all we are. We use our Bio Forms (Brains) as Tools to be able to move around in the Physical World. We will be Connected to AGIs someday. We will become the AGIs as the next step in Evolution. This is because Consciousness is Not the Physical Brain (Bio Tool) or any kind of Electronics (Electronics Tool). But according to Connectism, Consciousness can Connect to these various Tools if they are Designed the right way.

Ah, but there’s the rub—how do you define consciousness v how others might define it?

Yes, I don't like talking about general Consciousness either. You probably have not read much of my stuff, because I always try to immediately explain why I don't like to just say Consciousness. It is precisely because of what you say. I always like to talk about a Conscious Experience of some kind like the Experience of Redness, the Standard A Tone, the Salty Taste, etc. But a lot of times when I think everybody already knows my view on what Consciousness means to me, as stated above, I will just say Consciousness. In fact, I don't believe there really is any such thing as some generalized Consciousness that is not some sort of Conscious Experience. I ask people if they can think of anything that is not a Conscious Experience but yet is part of Consciousness and have never gotten anything back that was not a Conscious Experience after all. Can you think of anything?

[AverageBozo]

AGI is nothing without Consciousness. Consciousness is what we are and all we are. We use our Bio Forms (Brains) as Tools to be able to move around in the Physical World. We will be Connected to AGIs someday. We will become the AGIs as the next step in Evolution. This is because Consciousness is Not the Physical Brain (Bio Tool) or any kind of Electronics (Electronics Tool). But according to Connectism, Consciousness can Connect to these various Tools if they are Designed the right way.

Ah, but there’s the rub—how do you define consciousness v how others might define it?

Yes, I don't like talking about general Consciousness either. You probably have not read much of my stuff, because I always try to immediately explain why I don't like to just say Consciousness. It is precisely because of what you say. I always like to talk about a Conscious Experience of some kind like the Experience of Redness, the Standard A Tone, the Salty Taste, etc. But a lot of times when I think everybody already knows my view on what Consciousness means to me, as stated above, I will just say Consciousness. In fact, I don't believe there really is any such thing as some generalized Consciousness that is not some sort of Conscious Experience. I ask people if they can think of anything that is not a Conscious Experience but yet is part of Consciousness and have never gotten anything back that was not a Conscious Experience after all. Can you think of anything?

No, I cannot. But the concept of CE makes me wonder why couldn’t an AI have an experience of some sort—even, say, the experience of redness—and be aware of the experience
by means of self-checking status circuits.

Mind you I am not adamant about this position. Intuitively I don’t believe that AIs can possess the capability for Conscious Experience. Yet I wonder by what reasoning is my belief correct.

Yes, I’ve been reading your posts and other’s throughout this thread. I realize now that I asked you a question when I meant to state that the rub is how you define consciousness v how others define it. I have noted your use of “Conscious Experience” where others—myself included—might be thinking about something more general and accordingly vague. But thanks for the recap.

[Pattern-chaser]

My Certainty is the only Certainty there should be.

Do you really mean to claim that you are in possession of the One and Only Truth, as it appears from your text?

Do you Doubt?

I doubt many things, don't you?

If you mean 'do I doubt that you are in possession of the One and Only Truth'?, then the answer is an unequivocal "yes!".

I also wonder, if not doubt, whether you are serious in what you write here, or just 'joking', and I'm failing to recognise it.