The World and All Life in it are part of an Experiment
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The World and All Life in it are part of an Experiment
All that occurs in the physical and biological World shows continuous experimentation
- All that is happening now and from the beginning of observable time has occurred in a manner showing experimental processes.
When life began, supposedly with one cell, that cell split to create two - And then, as if set by deliberate experimental direction,
multiplied so as to create life forms of greater and greater complexity with an Evolutionary process that eliminated some life forms
and furthered the development of others.
This experimental process is ongoing and only DNA and genetics allows Man to predict and/or tamper with the experimental process
WHO OR WHAT SET THE ORIGINAL EXPERIMENT INTO PLAY ARE WE PART OF AN ALIEN EXPERIMENT WHAT DO YOU THINK
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Re: The World and All Life in it are part of an Experiment
I sometimes wonder about the 'experimental' nature of life and, I often see my own life as being very experimental. However, seeing it as being an underlying intentional experiment by some other being, whether it God or an alien being is another matter entirely. As a child I used to sometimes fantasise that I was a creation of some creature's mind, and I don't think that I saw this creature as God, funnily enough, even though I believed in God. It was more of an 'alien' being, but it was essentially a fantasy rather than a belief which I saw as objectively true. It is probably interconnected with the idea of 'reality' as a simulation.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 8:14 am An obvious observation of all observable natural history shows an ongoing experimental process right from the beginning
All that occurs in the physical and biological World shows continuous experimentation
- All that is happening now and from the beginning of observable time has occurred in a manner showing experimental processes.
When life began, supposedly with one cell, that cell split to create two - And then, as if set by deliberate experimental direction,
multiplied so as to create life forms of greater and greater complexity with an Evolutionary process that eliminated some life forms
and furthered the development of others.
This experimental process is ongoing and only DNA and genetics allows Man to predict and/or tamper with the experimental process
WHO OR WHAT SET THE ORIGINAL EXPERIMENT INTO PLAY ARE WE PART OF AN ALIEN EXPERIMENT WHAT DO YOU THINK
Nevertheless, life is about the pursuit of many possible variables, in the pursuit of goals and dreams. It can be seen as an experimental drama. However, that may be more about framing of meaning. If anything, life is about the various juggling and juxtapositions of the many random evolutions of possibilities, as possible worlds. But, this may be imminent in the experiences of the life of sentient creatures, especially in human consciousness and it still raises the question of whether this is a 'purpose' in itself or simply an interpretive understanding of meaning.
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I cannot counter whether we are the result of an experiment or not. I am wondering if you can show that we are the result of an experiment.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 8:14 am An obvious observation of all observable natural history shows an ongoing experimental process right from the beginning
All that occurs in the physical and biological World shows continuous experimentation
- All that is happening now and from the beginning of observable time has occurred in a manner showing experimental processes.
When life began, supposedly with one cell, that cell split to create two - And then, as if set by deliberate experimental direction,
multiplied so as to create life forms of greater and greater complexity with an Evolutionary process that eliminated some life forms
and furthered the development of others.
This experimental process is ongoing and only DNA and genetics allows Man to predict and/or tamper with the experimental process
WHO OR WHAT SET THE ORIGINAL EXPERIMENT INTO PLAY ARE WE PART OF AN ALIEN EXPERIMENT WHAT DO YOU THINK
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As I said 'nature itself' appears to be engaged in an experimental process - Nature and the physical and biological universe IS experimenting
and probably was always experimenting.
The real questions are WHY Who or what started it And is there, or was there, any purpose to this experiment
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There is of course natural process involved in life.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 7:38 pmAs I said 'nature itself' appears to be engaged in an experimental process - Nature and the physical and biological universe IS experimenting
and probably was always experimenting.
This depends on whether there is a creator or not.
I can show that time is acausal. For the rest of the stuff, who knows?
Again, this depends on whether there is a creator or not.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 7:38 pm And is there, or was there, any purpose to this experiment
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Of course you ask a basic question - But I believe it is more complicated.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑Yesterday, 3:38 pm
"And is there, or was there, any purpose to this experiment "
Again, this depends on whether there is a creator or not.
First, if there is A Creator the "why " still remains - Why create anything if you are this hypothetically perfect entity
And, again hypothetically, even if there is no Creator, the experimental nature of all existence still remains
- Why am I observing an experiment that I am part of
Is the whole Universe a giant experiment Creator of not, why is still the big question
Can we infer that there are objectives to it all
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Are you asking why the creator persists to exist?UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 18th, 2023, 7:56 pm Bahman quoting UniversalAlien wrote:Of course you ask a basic question - But I believe it is more complicated.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑Yesterday, 3:38 pm
"And is there, or was there, any purpose to this experiment "
Again, this depends on whether there is a creator or not.
First, if there is A Creator the "why " still remains -
I cannot understand your question. I am not perfect.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 18th, 2023, 7:56 pm Why create anything if you are this hypothetically perfect entity
To me, there are entities so call minds that cannot be destroyed and they are the cause of all motions in the universe.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 18th, 2023, 7:56 pm And, again hypothetically, even if there is no Creator, the experimental nature of all existence still remains
But there would be no experiment if there was no God.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 18th, 2023, 7:56 pm - Why am I observing an experiment that I am part of
I don't know whether there is an objective meaning in life.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 18th, 2023, 7:56 pm Is the whole Universe a giant experiment Creator of not, why is still the big question
Can we infer that there are objectives to it all
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I think you're seeing design where there isn't, that's what I think. Intelligent Design has been debunked many times before, but some people are still going along with it.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 8:14 am
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I see your point - Afterall in a Universe of so called Intelligent Design, how would you account for all so called intelligent HumansCount Lucanor wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 9:37 pmI think you're seeing design where there isn't, that's what I think. Intelligent Design has been debunked many times before, but some people are still going along with it.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 8:14 am WHO OR WHAT SET THE ORIGINAL EXPERIMENT INTO PLAY ARE WE PART OF AN ALIEN EXPERIMENT WHAT DO YOU THINK
being as myopic and dumb as they apparently are
I don't know if you can really debunk intelligent design - But certainly can prove Human stupidity
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Now you're right on the money!!!UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 23rd, 2023, 5:58 amI see your point - Afterall in a Universe of so called Intelligent Design, how would you account for all so called intelligent HumansCount Lucanor wrote: ↑February 22nd, 2023, 9:37 pmI think you're seeing design where there isn't, that's what I think. Intelligent Design has been debunked many times before, but some people are still going along with it.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 8:14 am WHO OR WHAT SET THE ORIGINAL EXPERIMENT INTO PLAY ARE WE PART OF AN ALIEN EXPERIMENT WHAT DO YOU THINK
being as myopic and dumb as they apparently are
I don't know if you can really debunk intelligent design - But certainly can prove Human stupidity
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UA, I think you are a great fan of science fiction. I'm a fan too. I also think Alan Masterman may have nailed it.
I also think Prometheus had a ton of plot holes. The watchmaker is blind.
Tangentially, it seems likely that Venus was habitable before Earth was, so it's possible that microbial life first emerged on Venus and made its way to Earth via asteroids released by volcanism or large meteor strikes.
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Re: The World and All Life in it are part of an Experiment
Experimentation is an intelligent and directed approach. Evolution (i.e. "nature"), on the other hand, is driven by random mutations, which are unintelligent and undirected. Big difference. I.e. nature is not "experimenting", nor is it obviously an experiment being performed by others. Life evolves.UniversalAlien wrote: ↑February 17th, 2023, 7:38 pm As I said 'nature itself' appears to be engaged in an experimental process - Nature and the physical and biological universe IS experimenting
and probably was always experimenting.
Yes, indeed. I think that's what I'm saying, too.
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The other disorienting issue is the uncertainty around how the universe came to be. That knowledge gap leaves room for gods and godlike "engineers", or for "turtles all the way down".
We can validly apply Occam's razor here. There's no point adding extra steps until there's at least some hint of evidence or them. It seems more likely that the universe created itself (which it is still doing) than creation by an entity with suspiciously humanlike attributes.
However, an issue remains that is more sci fi than most sci fi. Was ours the first Big Bang or were there many more beforehand? For all we know, this could be the quintillionth Big Bang, not the first.
If each successive universe produces stars for a trillion years like ours (a big if) then who knows what entities might have developed along the way, solving each existential challenge until they effectively became immortal, surviving (dormantly?) on vacuum energy. The presence of intelligence in space itself necessarily changes space, so they would necessarily influence subsequent Big Bangs. That would mean that theists, scientists and even UA were all somewhat correct ;)
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