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Marvin_Edwards wrote: May 17th, 2020, 6:34 am
evolution wrote: May 17th, 2020, 3:05 am
For your notions/ideas to become even a possibility, then you will have to:
1. Explain logically where all these so called "big bangs" could come from, and how they could occur in the beginning.
2. Explain logically how there could be an infinite distance between physical matter.
3. Explain logically how physical matter that is expanding from two so called "separate big bangs" and the matter from two separate bangs never collide.

See, ALL of these things can be logically explained and be shown to be extremely possible in this one and only Universe, and this can be explained and understood very simply and very easily,
1. The answer to where all the other big bangs come from is simple: the same place that the local big bang came from. Each is a separate, eternal cycling between a big bang and a big crunch. The only difference is their location.
2. How can there be an infinite distance between two physical objects? I don't know, but that is how the notions of infinity and eternity work. Infinity divided by 2 is infinity. Eternity divided by 2 is eternity. We are always precisely in the middle of infinity, with an infinite space in any direction. Now, things may be in that space which are not infinitely distant from us, like all the stuff around me in this room. Even the location of the big bang is a finite distance from us and a finite time ago.
3. The reason two big bang expansions never collide is because black holes are all over the place re-accumulating the planets and stars and galaxies. This is the big crunch part of the big bounce cycle.
None of this logically explains how there could possibly be supposedly always never touching, separated different universes.

So, why 'try to' back up and support the notion and idea of separated different universes, especially when ALL-OF-THIS can be logically explained, backed up, and supported through logical reasoning in just One Universe only?
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evolution wrote: May 17th, 2020, 6:54 am
Marvin_Edwards wrote: May 17th, 2020, 6:34 am

1. The answer to where all the other big bangs come from is simple: the same place that the local big bang came from. Each is a separate, eternal cycling between a big bang and a big crunch. The only difference is their location.
2. How can there be an infinite distance between two physical objects? I don't know, but that is how the notions of infinity and eternity work. Infinity divided by 2 is infinity. Eternity divided by 2 is eternity. We are always precisely in the middle of infinity, with an infinite space in any direction. Now, things may be in that space which are not infinitely distant from us, like all the stuff around me in this room. Even the location of the big bang is a finite distance from us and a finite time ago.
3. The reason two big bang expansions never collide is because black holes are all over the place re-accumulating the planets and stars and galaxies. This is the big crunch part of the big bounce cycle.
None of this logically explains how there could possibly be supposedly always never touching, separated different universes.

So, why 'try to' back up and support the notion and idea of separated different universes, especially when ALL-OF-THIS can be logically explained, backed up, and supported through logical reasoning in just One Universe only?
Why not? The current universe is not "logically explained". It is empirically observed. Having seen one big bang and its consequent galaxies, and given infinite space, why assume that the local one is the only one?
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Marvin_Edwards wrote: May 17th, 2020, 8:34 am
evolution wrote: May 17th, 2020, 6:54 am

None of this logically explains how there could possibly be supposedly always never touching, separated different universes.

So, why 'try to' back up and support the notion and idea of separated different universes, especially when ALL-OF-THIS can be logically explained, backed up, and supported through logical reasoning in just One Universe only?
Why not?
If you are asking this in regards to "why not" 'try to' back up and support the notion and idea of separated different universes, then there is no answer to "why not 'try' and do this". You are absolutely and completely free to attempt to 'try to' back up and support your currently held assumptions and/or beliefs as much as you like. So, feel free to keep going and keep 'trying'.

If you do not want to answer my clarifying question about Why do this when what actually occurs can be logically explained, then so be it. You are also completely and absolutely free to not answer this question if that is what you choose.
Marvin_Edwards wrote: May 17th, 2020, 8:34 am The current universe is not "logically explained".
But the ALWAYS current, and only, Universe is logically explained. You have just not heard the logical explanation yet. This is partly due to your currently held assumptions and/or beliefs about multiple universes.

When, and if, you ever get interested in looking at the Universe and seeing It from another perspective, than from the one perspective that you are holding onto now, then you will discover that thee Universe can be, and is in fact already logically explained - in very simple and very easy terms, I will add.
Marvin_Edwards wrote: May 17th, 2020, 8:34 am It is empirically observed. Having seen one big bang and its consequent galaxies, and given infinite space, why assume that the local one is the only one?
But who is assuming this?

I am CERTAINLY NOT, which is OBVIOUS from what I have written here above so far. So, WHY are you asking me such an absurd and ridiculous question here now as this one?
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evolution wrote: May 18th, 2020, 2:54 am ,,,
But the ALWAYS current, and only, Universe is logically explained. You have just not heard the logical explanation yet. This is partly due to your currently held assumptions and/or beliefs about multiple universes.
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No. The current universe is not "logically explained". It is observed to exist. We see it through multiple instruments, like the Huble Telescope. We have explanations of its history from being a super-condensed ball of matter that for some unknown reason exploded into the fine particles that condensed via mutual gravitation into stars and planets. But we have no explanation as to why it exists in the first place. Nor do we have any evidence that precludes the existence of other super-condensed balls of matter doing a similar thing in other parts of infinity.
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Marvin_Edwards wrote: May 18th, 2020, 12:38 pm
evolution wrote: May 18th, 2020, 2:54 am ,,,
But the ALWAYS current, and only, Universe is logically explained. You have just not heard the logical explanation yet. This is partly due to your currently held assumptions and/or beliefs about multiple universes.
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No. The current universe is not "logically explained".
Have you read EVERY explanation and heard EVERY explanation about the Universe? If no, then how can you accurately say the current universe is not "logically explained"?

But if you say you have read and heard EVERY explanation, then are you absolutely sure?
Marvin_Edwards wrote: May 18th, 2020, 12:38 pm It is observed to exist. We see it through multiple instruments, like the Huble Telescope. We have explanations of its history from being a super-condensed ball of matter that for some unknown reason exploded into the fine particles that condensed via mutual gravitation into stars and planets. But we have no explanation as to why it exists in the first place.
Who has "no explanation"?

Again, have you read and listened to EVERY one? If no, then same response. And, if you say you have, then again same response, are you absolutely sure?
Marvin_Edwards wrote: May 18th, 2020, 12:38 pm Nor do we have any evidence that precludes the existence of other super-condensed balls of matter doing a similar thing in other parts of infinity.
I will repeat what I said earlier. But the ALWAYS current, and only, Universe is logically explained. You have just not heard the logical explanation yet. This is partly due to your currently held assumptions and/or beliefs about multiple universes.

Just read that again, and think about what it means, BEFORE you respond.
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rayback wrote: January 4th, 2010, 11:36 am It could NOT have popped out of nowhere all by itself.

Therefore, either the Universe has always been here, or, God did it.
In my opinion, the least plausible of those options is that "god" did it (and not just because then we have the same exact problem with the god in question).

Still, both "It's always been here" and "It popped out of nowhere" are counterintuitive.

There doesn't really seem to be another option, though.
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evolution wrote: May 18th, 2020, 6:48 pm
Marvin_Edwards wrote: May 18th, 2020, 12:38 pm

No. The current universe is not "logically explained".
Have you read EVERY explanation and heard EVERY explanation about the Universe? If no, then how can you accurately say the current universe is not "logically explained"?

But if you say you have read and heard EVERY explanation, then are you absolutely sure?
Marvin_Edwards wrote: May 18th, 2020, 12:38 pm It is observed to exist. We see it through multiple instruments, like the Huble Telescope. We have explanations of its history from being a super-condensed ball of matter that for some unknown reason exploded into the fine particles that condensed via mutual gravitation into stars and planets. But we have no explanation as to why it exists in the first place.
Who has "no explanation"?

Again, have you read and listened to EVERY one? If no, then same response. And, if you say you have, then again same response, are you absolutely sure?
Marvin_Edwards wrote: May 18th, 2020, 12:38 pm Nor do we have any evidence that precludes the existence of other super-condensed balls of matter doing a similar thing in other parts of infinity.
I will repeat what I said earlier. But the ALWAYS current, and only, Universe is logically explained. You have just not heard the logical explanation yet. This is partly due to your currently held assumptions and/or beliefs about multiple universes.

Just read that again, and think about what it means, BEFORE you respond.
No. This has gone on quite long enough. If you'd like to explain the current universe and why it is the only one, then please proceed. Stop asking me to do your homework for you.
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Terrapin Station wrote: May 18th, 2020, 7:51 pm
rayback wrote: January 4th, 2010, 11:36 am It could NOT have popped out of nowhere all by itself.

Therefore, either the Universe has always been here, or, God did it.
In my opinion, the least plausible of those options is that "god" did it (and not just because then we have the same exact problem with the god in question).

Still, both "It's always been here" and "It popped out of nowhere" are counterintuitive.

There doesn't really seem to be another option, though.
Why do you say the Universe always being here, in existence, is counterintuitive, to you?

I do not see anything counter intuitive at all with this view.
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Marvin_Edwards wrote: May 18th, 2020, 8:32 pm
evolution wrote: May 18th, 2020, 6:48 pm

Have you read EVERY explanation and heard EVERY explanation about the Universe? If no, then how can you accurately say the current universe is not "logically explained"?

But if you say you have read and heard EVERY explanation, then are you absolutely sure?



Who has "no explanation"?

Again, have you read and listened to EVERY one? If no, then same response. And, if you say you have, then again same response, are you absolutely sure?



I will repeat what I said earlier. But the ALWAYS current, and only, Universe is logically explained. You have just not heard the logical explanation yet. This is partly due to your currently held assumptions and/or beliefs about multiple universes.

Just read that again, and think about what it means, BEFORE you respond.
No.

Okay then do not read it again and think about it BEFORE you respond.


This has gone on quite long enough. If you'd like to explain the current universe and why it is the only one, then please proceed. Stop asking me to do your homework for you.
But I am not asking you do my "homework" for me, as can be evidenced. I have, however, asked you some clarifying questions to back up and support your claims. If you cannot do that, then so be it.

Also, I only like to explain things to those who show interest. So, when those with interest come along, then I will explain. Until then I will clarify and/or challenge dome of what others propose and claim.
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evolution wrote: May 18th, 2020, 11:06 pm
Terrapin Station wrote: May 18th, 2020, 7:51 pm

In my opinion, the least plausible of those options is that "god" did it (and not just because then we have the same exact problem with the god in question).

Still, both "It's always been here" and "It popped out of nowhere" are counterintuitive.

There doesn't really seem to be another option, though.
Why do you say the Universe always being here, in existence, is counterintuitive, to you?

I do not see anything counter intuitive at all with this view.
Because infinite extension isn't really something we can imagine.
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Terrapin Station wrote: May 19th, 2020, 7:07 am
evolution wrote: May 18th, 2020, 11:06 pm

Why do you say the Universe always being here, in existence, is counterintuitive, to you?

I do not see anything counter intuitive at all with this view.
Because infinite extension isn't really something we can imagine.
How about you speak for you, and I will speak for me?

I can very easily imagine infinite extension, even if you can not. In fact I can imagine it so well I can actually SEE it. Therefore, as I said, I do not see anything counter intuitive at all in and with the view of the Universe always being here.
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evolution wrote: May 19th, 2020, 7:12 am
Terrapin Station wrote: May 19th, 2020, 7:07 am

Because infinite extension isn't really something we can imagine.
How about you speak for you, and I will speak for me?

I can very easily imagine infinite extension, even if you can not. In fact I can imagine it so well I can actually SEE it. Therefore, as I said, I do not see anything counter intuitive at all in and with the view of the Universe always being here.
You can't because it's far beyond your brain capacity, which is extremely finite in comparison to infinity. Whatever you're doing, exactly, it wouldn't be the same as imagining infinite extension.
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Terrapin Station wrote: May 19th, 2020, 7:13 am
evolution wrote: May 19th, 2020, 7:12 am

How about you speak for you, and I will speak for me?

I can very easily imagine infinite extension, even if you can not. In fact I can imagine it so well I can actually SEE it. Therefore, as I said, I do not see anything counter intuitive at all in and with the view of the Universe always being here.
You can't because it's far beyond your brain capacity, which is extremely finite in comparison to infinity.
See, this is WHY you are so far BEHIND ME.

I do NOT necessary look at and see things from the brain only.
Terrapin Station wrote: May 19th, 2020, 7:13 am Whatever you're doing, exactly, it wouldn't be the same as imagining infinite extension.
I KNOW. And, this is WHY I said I can actually SEE infinite extension, and not just imagine it.

You really do need to keep up with me, if you truly do want to understand me and what I say.
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evolution wrote: May 19th, 2020, 7:30 am
Terrapin Station wrote: May 19th, 2020, 7:13 am
You can't because it's far beyond your brain capacity, which is extremely finite in comparison to infinity.
See, this is WHY you are so far BEHIND ME.

I do NOT necessary look at and see things from the brain only.
Terrapin Station wrote: May 19th, 2020, 7:13 am Whatever you're doing, exactly, it wouldn't be the same as imagining infinite extension.
I KNOW. And, this is WHY I said I can actually SEE infinite extension, and not just imagine it.

You really do need to keep up with me, if you truly do want to understand me and what I say.
lol re claiming that somehow you think using something other than your brain.
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Terrapin Station wrote: May 19th, 2020, 7:33 am
evolution wrote: May 19th, 2020, 7:30 am

See, this is WHY you are so far BEHIND ME.

I do NOT necessary look at and see things from the brain only.



I KNOW. And, this is WHY I said I can actually SEE infinite extension, and not just imagine it.

You really do need to keep up with me, if you truly do want to understand me and what I say.
lol re claiming that somehow you think using something other than your brain.
LOL re you not even being able to think, let alone, see and understand anything else.

Also, I NEVER mentioned anything, let alone suggested anything, about 'thinking'.

You really do need to stop making assumptions, and start asking some clarifying questions, that is; if you ever really do want to start understanding what it is that I am saying, and meaning here.
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