what was the cause of the Big Bang?

[Fanman]

What is the fundamental element of the universe, something that is present within every substance / thing that exists? If we can know what that fundamental element is, then we would have an idea of what caused the big bang.

[Misty]

What is the fundamental element of the universe, something that is present within every substance / thing that exists? If we can know what that fundamental element is, then we would have an idea of what caused the big bang.

In this order: 1)hydrogen 2)helium 3)oxygen 4)carbon 5)Neon 6)Iron 7)nitrogen silicon 9)magnesium 10)sulfur

I don't know why it happens, but when I make a list the number 8 looks fine until I submit, then it shows up as a smilies face. Anyone know why this would happen?

[Okisites]

I think Hydrogen and Helium is the only things, that causes Big Bang

I thought much about it, but only thing I found, that can be cause of Big Bang, is Hydrogen and Helium

[Fanman]

Thanks for the input Misty and Okisites,

However, these are just gases are they not guys? Unless a combination of them all created existence as we know it? That is just doesn't seem plausible to me. How could the cause of the universe (and intelligence for that matter), possibly be a combination of gases? Is there any gas in existence which can form itself into a solid object? And where did all of the energy come from? When you look at it this way; at the fundamental level, the big bang just doesn't seem like a plausible explanation for existence.

[Xris]

What is the fundamental element of the universe, something that is present within every substance / thing that exists? If we can know what that fundamental element is, then we would have an idea of what caused the big bang.

Why?

[Fanman]

Hi Xris ,

Why, because then we would have an idea of the origins of the universe, and be able to follow a clear line of progression, from how those fundamental elements, became what they are today - like planets... It is the same reasoning / system as the Theory of Evolution. By understanding the fundamental elements of the universe, we could then retrospectively map how the universe began. Simples.

[Xris]

Hi Xris ,

Why, because then we would have an idea of the origins of the universe, and be able to follow a clear line of progression, from how those fundamental elements, became what they are today - like planets... It is the same reasoning / system as the Theory of Evolution. By understanding the fundamental elements of the universe, we could then retrospectively map how the universe began. Simples.

So why would you be able to understand how it began? If you believe the science that gives you this concept everything there is was placed in one point called the singularity. You have to by that reasoning admit and agree that it had no structure, no evidence of existence.There was no fundamental anything. Also by science it resembled that other concept the black hole. But this is where science once again looses its logical reasoning. The BB with all the universe enclosed within this singularity managed to expand with no know force creating space time but the black holes we are told are eternal with no know force capable of reversing this constant singularity. I can understand why the same minds that accept god as a reality can find the apparent magical act of the BB appealing. The similarities are more than obvious, they indicate how we select beliefs and cling to them no matter how illogical they appear.We choose the evidence that secures our beliefs and ignore any that contradicts it.

[Fanman]

Xris, wrote:

So why would you be able to understand how it began? If you believe the science that gives you this concept everything there is was placed in one point called the singularity. You have to by that reasoning admit and agree that it had no structure, no evidence of existence.There was no fundamental anything. Also by science it resembled that other concept the black hole. But this is where science once again looses its logical reasoning. The BB with all the universe enclosed within this singularity managed to expand with no know force creating space time but the black holes we are told are eternal with no know force capable of reversing this constant singularity. I can understand why the same minds that accept god as a reality can find the apparent magical act of the BB appealing. The similarities are more than obvious, they indicate how we select beliefs and cling to them no matter how illogical they appear.We choose the evidence that secures our beliefs and ignore any that contradicts it.

I have explained myself clearly, yet you appear to fail to understand what I am saying, why? Am I not clearly speaking English? I find the idea of a singularity causing the universe to exist quite implausible for the same illogical reasons as you. If nothing can escape the 'pull' of a black hole / singularity, how did the universe manage to expand from it? Essentially, how can two opposing forces of 'push and pull' form a union which moves away (expands) from a black hole? Where did the force of expansion come from, if there was only 'pulling' force? Such reasoning does not conform with logic.

I'm not going to get into a debate about God with you, you know my beliefs very well.

[Xris]

Fanman, you are not explaining your position very well, if you do not believe in the BB why do believe it had a beginning? I am not debating your beliefs in god only indicating how we all cling to our beliefs despite any evidence that contradicts that belief. Science and scientists even though they believe in the purity of their endeavour can be just as dogmatic.

[Fanman]

Xris, wrote:

you are not explaining your position very well, if you do not believe in the BB why do believe it had a beginning? I am not debating your beliefs in god only indicating how we all cling to our beliefs despite any evidence that contradicts that belief. Science and scientists even though they believe in the purity of their endeavour can be just as dogmatic.

Really, what part of my 'position' have I not explained very well? Please elaborate. Why do I believe that the Universe had a beginning? As far as I am aware, everything that exists had a beginning. It is only logical to assume that the universe had a begining, both religious people and scientists believe that the universe had a beginning, and was created by some kind of "force of nature" so to speak. For there to have been an eternal universe, would mean that something has always existed, which, like it or not, is synonymous with the concept of God.

[DarwinX]

It is unlikely that there was a BB. The BB theory is just a justification of religious concepts of creation. BB gives the universe a beginning, which psychologically, makes people feel safe about where they are. On the other hand, concepts like The Steady State Theory of the universe are more psychologically disconcerting and are thus, rejected, because they don't fit into our collective psychological profile as comfortably. Humans feel safer when they know where they came from and where they are going. One the other hand, if humans don't know where they came from or where they are going, then, they feel lost and insecure. Therefore, the BB Theory is generally accepted mostly because it makes people feel better and more secure. But, as far as logic and reality goes, the BB Theory stinks.

What happens in the extremely small scale (sub-atomic) and extremely large scale (one universe equals one atom)are generally out of our realm of perception. Time and distance are distorted and have different values when you enter large and small scale dimensions. This is why light disappears at the point of creation and reappears at the point of contact. Light has left our dimension and reappears when it bumps into a solid object. Thus, photons or light doesn't exist in our reality or universe. Light is the product of a different dimension and its detection is a product of our dimension. But, between production and detection; it doesn't exist.

[The Beast]

A message. From a Metaphysical point of view , The Big bang is the messenger which carries the life message to all corners of the Space-Time. The message is encrypted in matter; what is true by ontology is true by epistemology.

[Xris]

Xris, wrote:


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Really, what part of my 'position' have I not explained very well? Please elaborate. Why do I believe that the Universe had a beginning? As far as I am aware, everything that exists had a beginning. It is only logical to assume that the universe had a begining, both religious people and scientists believe that the universe had a beginning, and was created by some kind of "force of nature" so to speak. For there to have been an eternal universe, would mean that something has always existed, which, like it or not, is synonymous with the concept of God.

So you do not subscribe to the BB but believe in had a beginning. How do you propose in scientific term it began? I do believe it is eternal but it does not automatically infer that god is present.I do not avoid any subject or belief because it might lead to a god creator. I have my god and it is secure whatever science discovers.

[Fanman]

Xris, wrote:

So you do not subscribe to the BB but believe in had a beginning. How do you propose in scientific term it began? I do believe it is eternal but it does not automatically infer that god is present.I do not avoid any subject or belief because it might lead to a god creator. I have my god and it is secure whatever science discovers.

I am not a scientist, therefore I cannot explain how the universe began in scientific terms. You think that because the proposition of your god is "logically sound," that it must be real?

[Misty]

The BB is still theory, so this question cannot be answered until it is PROVEN there was a BB. If the BB is PROVEN it would reveal the cause as well.