Is Art Necessarily Human?

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Ovi
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Re: Is Art Necessarily Human?

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Isn't art something which pleases your senses? Sight, audition, smell, touch, taste? If the piece pleases one of these senses, then you can call it art; may it come from a human, dog, cat, elephant or even a robot - if it pleases your sense(s), it's mostly art.

"Art" doesn't necessarily have to be a painting or a sculpture. Art can be nature (such as mountains, trees, flowers), Sex, heat, food and so on.

Many of you might disagree with me, but that's what the word "art" means for me.
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Sure, art may please our sense, but it can also do the opposite, that is cause hurt and disgust. Some consider art as something that instills emotions of any sort (even nihilistic or void feelings). The purpose of art is to affect our abstract 'sense' - the mind. Art can even be temporal in nature and could be ever-so changing in meaning with time (my free donation based eBook cover page an example). I find it erroneous to isolating art only to pleasurable emotives Ovi. For the individual enlightened with bliss and a wonderful life it may be essential for him/her to maintain humanity by occasionally absorbing this so called 'bad art' - thus stimulating the mind. What sensation does the following art have on you:

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I find such art rather inhuman - not for the bounds of appreciation in a pleasing non-extremelly perverted manner.
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Re: Is Art Necessarily Human?

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I feel disgust. Sicne this piece makes me "feel", it makes it art; right?
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that third picture is pure art;

look at that black silhouette in its finest artistry. look closer, and you'll see a female figure bent over with a giant bone up her urethra.

i call a masterpiece. a dog illustrated their love for a woman, and their love for a bone in the same picture.

Marvelous.

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:) Is there any way of knowing when these people but a paintbrush in the hand of a monkey if the monkey ever develops any real intent towards the canvas. This is really stretching the limit of credibility. I know historically we as a species have under estimated animals in general and our nearest cousins in particular--but this--come on your putting us on--lol!!
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Did someone say "escape the truth"? No, no, no: Art is the truth, in a manner of speaking. Wittgenstein sticks with me here. See his "Culture and Value" and his "Lecture on Ethics": In short, ethics and art issue from places unseen. What is value? Analysis bears out a complete mystery, for when the attempt is made to see it, to bring up a proper, observable representation of it, we come up empty; and yet it is the most salient feature of being a person. I would very mush like to see this proposition contested. Any takers?

And the Van Gogh above is my favorite. He suffered for his art, and great art cannot be without suffering, for even with Maxfield Parrish, say, another favorite of mine, there is the implicit backdrop of human suffering in the mind of the beholder that makes the ideal a redemption.
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