Women in Bikinis - Size 6 vs Size 12

[Nick_A]

In a world not dominated by pride and vanity, I believe there would be ideal expressions of bodily types for both men and women. It seems it would be more difficult in modern times to admit ideal female types since vanity is so dominant.

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Motherhood The Greek philosopher Aristotle said that every ideal form can only be imagined with its function in mind, and it is impossible for an object to exist without a definite relation to its function. Therefore, the female body was the ideal form for its primary function, motherhood, even if it was considered inferior to the male ideal form. Gannon University's Sarah Lynn Andrews says Greek female statues showed women as round and youthful, "a tapered waist connected high connical breasts and curvaceous thighs." This was the ideal female form, perfectly fashioned for the function of motherhood.

Sexualized Female Form Before the fourth century B.C, artwork of Greek women were always shown in clothing. But the ideal woman of motherhood gradually became an idealized sexual figure. The revolutionary sexualized female ideal was the nude Aphrodite of Melos, a sculpture dating from 323 to 331 B.C. and now on display at the Louvre.

Can you imagine the primary female function of motherhood being accepted as beautiful by modern feminism. It would never happen nor would men want it since it is far more fun to enjoy the sexualized female form rather than thinking of children.

IMO beauty would be an aspect of ideal human types in a more real world. Ideal images have replaced the appreciation for ideal types so beauty is really in the eye of the beholder's imagination. Deciding on size 6 or size 12 seems to depend upon advertising.

[Fleetfootphil]

I am turned on by pregnant women.

[DonandVicki]

I'm sure that I am biased but I believe that a woman with meat on her bones, an inteligent mind and a vivacious personality is a heart stopper. Pushing the limits of starvation fails to turn me on.

[Spiral Out]

Do a search for images of Toccara Jones. That is a whole lotta BIG SEXY WOMAN right there.

[DonandVicki]

Do a search for images of Toccara Jones. That is a whole lotta BIG SEXY WOMAN right there.

Just did the Google search, I can't argue with you. Yeah Buddy.

[Tor_Hershman]

Built for Speed orrrrr Comfort the major concern should be.....do she know how to handle dat thang? My HIGHLY theoretical [Intense research performed but not via variation] video on the subject.

[Gamnot]

It is true that the interpretation of female beauty on the part of males is subjected to fixations, conditioning factors, fetishes, and sadistic tendencies. The three body types: ectomorph, being slender; mesomorph, being athletic, and endomorph, being fleshed out can be considered equally beautiful when healthy. The body types are associated with temperament traits; naturally slender females are more excitable for good or bad and naturally fleshed out females are more relaxed and stable. Since this is the way I see things, I have the tendency to take temperament traits into consideration when considering females.

[HalfWit]

Once again, the "Philosophy Club" seems to be for 12 year olds.

[Gamnot]

The philosopher, George Santayana wrote a book entitled: "The Sense of Beauty". Studying beauty rather than just art is more comprehensive than considering just art. We all have aesthetic values that different from each other and I tend to think that many of our aesthetic values are a result of fixations and conditioning factors. I cannot remember the source of this information, but anthropologists were studying a small culture on a pacific island and concluded that a certain type of female attributes were most favored by males in that culture. About three years after television was introduced into that culture, the nature of the aesthetic values that males had toward females had changed dramatically.

[Ami]

The reason why "thin is in" has little to do with contemporary advertising or enculturation but is traceable back into the deep psyche. At the level of the amphibian and reptile brain, the male avoids the thick female because she is already pregnant, is a male, or is old and of low fertility. In the more recent hominid brain, a system prevailed for millions of years: the hunter males returned with their kills and gave their meat to the thin females (pun intended). While a fourteen-year old is more thin and small than a thirty-five year old female and much easier to get pregnant and to go through a healthy complication-free labor, what the male is "really" doing is feeding the hungriest females. The male gives his catch in exchange for sex to the skinny hungry females. This keeps the tribe alive.

As human males respond to oxytocin and vasopressin we can also surmise that loyal pair-bonding was going on for quite some time, therefore the more well fed females were more likely bonded while the skinny ones were more likely not supported by a particular male. For the married man who sees his hefty wife as attractive, this may be down to seeing her through oxytocin and vasopressin glasses so to speak.

Since conditioning has a powerful effect on sexual psychology, it is easy to understand how in the neurotic, sex-starved, and cloistered environment of "America" where fat women are normal, we might be seen as attractive. But if someone gets out of the unnatural confines of the pig pen, where high stress and life-style lead to obesity, they discover that slim fit women are actually the global norm, the thin attractive woman of magazine covers is not airbrushed and toxic, she is everywhere one looks in less developed society. And for those who still argue that the fat African woman is an ideal, just one trip to tribal Central Africa with it's lean desired women will immediately dispel this myth.

-- Updated February 17th, 2014, 10:51 pm to add the following --

It is true that the interpretation of female beauty on the part of males is subjected to fixations, conditioning factors, fetishes, and sadistic tendencies. The three body types: ectomorph, being slender; mesomorph, being athletic, and endomorph, being fleshed out can be considered equally beautiful when healthy. The body types are associated with temperament traits; naturally slender females are more excitable for good or bad and naturally fleshed out females are more relaxed and stable. Since this is the way I see things, I have the tendency to take temperament traits into consideration when considering females.

Yeah, this is true too. According to my reading, being fat is never the cause of posture problems, and being fat is never a cause of premature death: when the fat person is physically active: active fat and thin people have equal life expectancy.

[Misty]

The body types are associated with temperament traits; naturally slender females are more excitable for good or bad and naturally fleshed out females are more relaxed and stable. Since this is the way I see things, I have the tendency to take temperament traits into consideration when considering females.

Body types do not control ones temperament. It is always a mixed bag.

[Philosophy Explorer]

I'm not voting because there are more factors involved. E.g. how the weight is distributed, the height is important too (for tall men, I believe they favor tall women while shorter men would favor shorter women). More important is personality and action - i.e. how women would put their assets to use.

Nuff said.

[Mechsmith]

I never saw a bad color on a good horse, nor ever saw a bad shape on a good woman.

[Philosophy Explorer]

I never saw a bad color on a good horse, nor ever saw a bad shape on a good woman.

Then the question turns on what a good woman is? You're suggesting the unlikelihood of a bad shape since most women are good. Aside from that, isn't it true that overweight women hide beautiful slender women?

[Misty]

I never saw a bad color on a good horse, nor ever saw a bad shape on a good woman.

Then the question turns on what a good woman is? You're suggesting the unlikelihood of a bad shape since most women are good. Aside from that, isn't it true that overweight women hide beautiful slender women?

Ahhhh.......by the same token isn't it true that slender women are potential beautiful overweight women?