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Misty said:

"Ahhhh.......by the same token isn't it true that slender women are potential beautiful overweight women?"

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Philosophy Explorer wrote:Misty said:

"Ahhhh.......by the same token isn't it true that slender women are potential beautiful overweight women?"

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Just the eye? Don't the blind behold beauty through other senses?

Misty wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote:Misty said:

"Ahhhh.......by the same token isn't it true that slender women are potential beautiful overweight women?"

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Just the eye? Don't the blind behold beauty through other senses?

Don't take me literally on this. To each his/her own.

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

Mechsmith wrote:I never saw a bad color on a good horse, nor ever saw a bad shape on a good woman.

Then the question turns on what a good woman is? You're suggesting the unlikelihood of a bad shape since most women are good. Aside from that, isn't it true that overweight women hide beautiful slender women?

Yes that is true but only in the sense of refuting Olbers Paradox. What is behind the visible body may be a matter for universal observations or speculations

Consider the obscurity of a BBW standing in a point that is well behind Paris Hilton. Now place yourself a few feet away from Paris at a point on a line drawn through both objects. Unless Paris is massive enough to curve space time (which has not been demonstrated) the BBW will be totally obscured merely due to the nature of light.

It has been noted however that Paris has some other quality to turn the heads of some humans. I haven't been able to quantify this yet but I think it has something to to do with the relationship between 38-24-36. Someone here better versed in numerology than I may be able to help

Mechsmith said:

"Yes that is true but only in the sense of refuting Olbers Paradox." Olbers Paradox dealt with the alleged infinity of stars, but doesn't care about the size of a star, if any, are in the darkness of space.

What me, Misty and others are saying is that there's an inner beauty to women along with the outer beauty (whatever form that may take).

So how do you like your women?

Philosophy Explorer wrote:Mechsmith said:


So how do you like your women?

Triple "C" Close, Comfortable, Conversational.

But the relative positions are important, To Paris and Olber The aforementioned numbers; Not so much

I am still waiting for this topic to be fair and expose bikini clad men so women can discuss "size" and of course male inner beauty!

Misty wrote:I am still waiting for this topic to be fair and expose bikini clad men so women can discuss "size" and of course male inner beauty!

You can always start with me (but I don't wear bikinis so you'll have to focus on my inner beauty).

Philosophy Explorer wrote:

Misty wrote:I am still waiting for this topic to be fair and expose bikini clad men so women can discuss "size" and of course male inner beauty!

You can always start with me (but I don't wear bikinis so you'll have to focus on my inner beauty).

Are you volunteering to be the first male model picture? If so, put up the evidence.

Misty wrote:

Philosophy Explorer wrote: (Nested quote removed.)


You can always start with me (but I don't wear bikinis so you'll have to focus on my inner beauty).

Are you volunteering to be the first male model picture? If so, put up the evidence.

I don't give away my secrets so readily.

I don't think the experiment can run the same with men because it is meaningful only in that it is a commentary on the sexist pressures on woman that push them towards an unhealthy low body weight and increase eating disorders in women specifically. Men don't feel the same pressure to be skinny, which is particularly ironic since a healthy male body fat percentage is significantly less than women.

Our modern culture pushes this anorexic look on women, but elsewhere and/pr in the past we also see examples of this unhealthy appearance-trait-emphasis on women, such as in countries where young girls binded their feet to keep them extra small or places were women keep adding rings to their neck to make them so long they would die without the rings supporting their elongated neck.

Our society is sexist and has been sexist in a patriarchal way for a long time. Men do not always deal with the same plight as women.

In any case, to appease those who would request them out of fairness, here are two pictures comparing men like the one comparing women in the OP.
The first one seems to be a joke emphasizing the point I made that the parallel doesn't hold up because men aren't pressured to be skinny like women and healthy male body fat percentage is lower than women's. I think the second one is actually quite interesting, but even if the second model man does not accurately represent the average man I don't think it represents nearly as unhealthy and unrealistic of an ideal as what is pushed on women. The < 10% body fat, 6 pack abs a man focused on physical appearance might go for is at least potentially aiming for a physically healthy albeit difficult goal. The woman who tries to look like these anorexic-looking, computer-edited models (or bind her feet really small or make her neck 1 foot long) is actually hurting herself physically and this is why it correlates to disorders that can be fatal such as actual anorexia or bulimia. Most people look at these poor girls and think they are too skinny that it is a turn off, but the girls look in the mirror and think they are fat. I don't think our culture pushes men towards the same delusions about their bodies.

Men might be unreasonably judged, especially when it comes to attractiveness, by the car they drive, how much money they seem to have and their career success, etc. It is an interesting comparison, but it is also one that belittles the problem in our sexist, patriarchal culture pointed out in the OP that specifically and uniquely affects women. The goal of having a good job and being wealthy generally doesn't compare to the unhealthy physically-contradicting goal of starving one's self.

Scott,

You get an A for trying but neither guy is attractive to me. (both women were beautiful)

Men also suffer obesity and anorexia. What do you think the reason would be?

Misty

Misty wrote:Scott,

You get an A for trying but neither guy is attractive to me. (both women were beautiful)

Men also suffer obesity and anorexia. What do you think the reason would be?

Misty

So Misty, do you have your own set of comparative attractive guys you can put up on this thread?

Philosophy Explorer wrote:
So Misty, do you have your own set of comparative attractive guys you can put up on this thread?

No. I will leave that up to the guys on the forum to fight for the positions. lol

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles ... nal-curves

This post that I got on facebook from psychology today should resolve the matter completely.................. I was correct.