Can We Draw Time?

[HANDSON]

You've mentioned the connection between Cubism, Picasso, movement, the fourth dimension and time. Consider this painting by Georges Braque, called The Portuguese:



Braque depicts a musician playing his guitar and singing in a port-side cafe. One can view the pier outside the window containing lettering and the rope around the post. The image can be thought of as presenting multiple views as the singer moves over time or as the viewer changes his position in relation to the scene.

[Stanley Huang]

I have seen this painting before, and after Picasso, I have seen painters who drew like that. But Picasso is maybe different to Braque, where Picasso had a sense of humour when he was painting.

So if you look at 'wikipedia,' there is a painting where Picasso drew the massacre in Korea, in 1951, and that painting from Picasso looked as if it was like a comic.

So Picasso, was really a painter who did not have just one fixed style. He did not believe in style and he wanted to free himself from fixed form.

He also drew large amounts of people having different sex positions, like woman's head on bottom while her legs are on top, when having sex, and I saw the different kinds of sex positions drew by Picasso, which were pretty erotic, but not disgusting.

So before, when a painter talked about Picasso, we all laughed.

Where I asked: "Oh, are you talking about that funny painter who drew different sex positions?"

Picasso was a funny person to me and he had no one fixed style.

[Rattybag]

Incidentally, when asking 'non art' people to name an artist, the majority will come up with Picasso. So whatever people think of his style and works, it clearly has an impact and isn't that what all artists strive for?

[HANDSON]

No, Rattybag, I wouldn't say all artists strive for the name recognition Picasso has. Most artists, imo, are intent on their making activity, voicing through their art their view of the world and the human predicament we all share.

Don't get me wrong, art makers desire an audience; recognition is important but pursuing fame, as the Stoic philosophers knew, is folly.

[Rattybag]

You misunderstood me Handson. I wasn't meaning artists strive for name recognition, but for their work to have impact. I think for any artist, known or otherwise strive for their work to affect its viewer in some way or other - clearly something Picasso managed to do. Name recognition isn't the most important thing here.

[HANDSON]

You misunderstood me Handson. I wasn't meaning artists strive for name recognition, but for their work to have impact. I think for any artist, known or otherwise strive for their work to affect its viewer in some way or other - clearly something Picasso managed to do. Name recognition isn't the most important thing here.

I stand corrected, Rb; yes, I guess most artists would like their art to matter.

[Stanley Huang]

Hello Rattybag,

It might be frustrating to a painter, if he felt that his paintings were rejected and laughed at. When I watch the life of Van Gogh, he was pretty depressed, where he felt no one understood him, and he got rejected by his cousin, where he was desperately in love with her, and he placed his finger on the flame and later on, he slashed his ear off with he had a bitter quarrel with Gauguin and he sent his ear to a sex worker.

Picasso at one stage, he received harsh criticism when he to change.

Picasso was from Spain, and when he went to Paris, the French looked down on the Spanish, and secondly, when Picasso went to Paris, Matisse was much more famous than Picasso.

Because many Western painters in the past were French, like Monet and Gauguin were French, and Picasso maybe might be jealous of Matisse when he got to Paris, where Matisse had more fame and he was French, while Picasso at that time, was like a poor painter from Spain.

And it took time for Picasso to show that he was a better painter than Matisse, which he did.

So when I watch the life of Picasso in youtube, I felt he also had downs in his life, where ‘youtube’ said that when Picasso’s lover became close to Matisse, Picasso became jealous of his rival again.

But Picasso was a funny person, who had no background and was from Spain, but he was really a painter where he could paint with his eyes closed.

So, I feel maybe it takes time.

And there is no experiment, like people do not perform experiment for a painter, so if a person dislike the work of a painter, it may be really frustrating, feeling lonely or sad.

But fame, to be honest, I also hoped that I will become famous one day.

I hope I will become a famous physicist.