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Geography of power

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Fleetfootphil
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Geography of power

Post by Fleetfootphil » December 13th, 2012, 9:49 pm

At times, the center of artistic power shifts from here to there and back. It was in France for a while, and Italy, and more recently in the US, specifically NYC. Where do you think it is now? Is NYC the center of the artworld these days? What about LA? What about England- that's where Hirst and Emin come from. Is there anyone out there working now who is powerful enough to pull the center of artistic gravity to the place they inhabit? I think not but I am often wrong.

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Re: Geography of power

Post by Alias » December 18th, 2012, 12:29 am

You can't know where it is now. Most innovators are not recognized in their lifetime, and most innovations are unappreciated (panned, usually; derided, abominated) in their time. We won't know where today's center is for another fifty years.
Those who can induce you to believe absurdities can induce you to commit atrocities. - Voltaire

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Re: Geography of power

Post by Jklint » December 18th, 2012, 3:23 pm

Hard to say what place would receive the laurels as center but if I had to choose it would be Berlin. Many artistic types flock there from all over. It's always been very experimental and avant garde at its core and at the same time both classic and raunchy. Its night life can also be highly "artistic" where possibly even pornography can aspire to art. In short, the traditional and what conspires to break tradition. What could be more stimulating to an art lover or artist?

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Re: Geography of power

Post by Fleetfootphil » December 18th, 2012, 9:24 pm

Berlin is an interesting idea. I am thinking that, nowadays, mentioning culture is another way of saying consumption. We live in a (western) world that spends all of its time and thought-energy figuring out how to get other people to spend their money, whether on art, ipads, toasters or prescription medicines for conditions we may not have. In this state of affairs, with globalization as a precursor and social media in full swing, it's hard for me to think of a center of gravity. So much of everything is hype that it's also hard to think of anything with a solid core. Money is still power, though, so I always come back to New York, even if it's just smoke and mirrors or a shill game there.

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Re: Geography of power

Post by Jklint » December 18th, 2012, 11:42 pm

Maybe Leonard Cohen long ago had it figured out in the song "First we take Manhattan then we take Berlin".

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Re: Geography of power

Post by Fleetfootphil » December 19th, 2012, 11:35 am

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