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All a Fairy World? (Supernatural)

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Re: All a Fairy World? (Supernatural)

Post by Greta » August 13th, 2019, 6:49 pm

Sculptor1 wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 6:57 am
Greta wrote:
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Each star and planet is a god compared to us. Vast organised entity that sprout all manner of amazing things.
The human brain has 100 trillion connections, by some estimates a 1000 trillion. What does a star have? Mostly hydrogen, helium and trace amounts of other elements.
It does not qualify for the word entity in any sense.
A star has a whole lot more than that. The Sun is 99.86% the mass of the solar system. To get a sense of this, if you are 70kgs, 0.14% of you would be a gram. That makes the Earth (as us) part of the Sun's extended atmosphere, its effects.

Is one gram of your brain matter "the real you" while the rest is mostly just useless carbon, oxygen and water supporting tissue?

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Re: All a Fairy World? (Supernatural)

Post by BigBango » August 13th, 2019, 10:18 pm

Greta wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 6:49 pm
Sculptor1 wrote:
August 13th, 2019, 6:57 am

The human brain has 100 trillion connections, by some estimates a 1000 trillion. What does a star have? Mostly hydrogen, helium and trace amounts of other elements.
It does not qualify for the word entity in any sense.
A star has a whole lot more than that. The Sun is 99.86% the mass of the solar system. To get a sense of this, if you are 70kgs, 0.14% of you would be a gram. That makes the Earth (as us) part of the Sun's extended atmosphere, its effects.

Is one gram of your brain matter "the real you" while the rest is mostly just useless carbon, oxygen and water supporting tissue?
Greta, lets get serious. The sun is only 99.86 of the "visible" mass of the solar system and the visible mass of the galaxy is only 10% of the mass of the galaxy. If you are a pan-psychic then you're looking for fairies in large mass objects or black holes is to the point. But I think the consensus here, I include you, is that Whitehead was wrong about asserting that the fundamental actualities giving rise to all things were tiny actual entities, living beings. He even considered electrodynamic waves as actual entities acting in a certain way. To discover the "fairies" we need to look at that other 90% of the mass of our galaxy.

As a galaxy ages two very significant things happen. The technology of its civilizations advance and the mass of its black hole center increases. Those asserted facts mean that a physics develops between the black hole centers of its surrounding galaxies. It is that physics, between visible black hole matter(event horizon), that spells the collapse of those galaxies. The advanced technology civilizations in all those galaxies escape the demise, or Big Crunch, by removing themselves and their eco-systems from their predicted center of collapse. These living civilizations then find themselves in in a world whose plasma cools into the remnants of its former world. That collapsed visible world is the world we know and is the world that those civilizations need to inhabit. They need to inhabit it because they need to reap its energy stores in order to continue their own anti entropic survival as the "fairies" in our world.

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Re: All a Fairy World? (Supernatural)

Post by Greta » August 14th, 2019, 1:03 am

BB, a technical point. The Sun is not just 99.86% of the visible mass of the solar system but all of it, including energies, dust, dark matter and other ephemera. That makes us part of its emanations. If anything represents supernature to us, it's the Sun. Stars are truly intimidating, berserk entities, especially the larger ones. People talk about black holes awed tones, but only the supermassive ones are heavy hitters with their jets. A black hole compared to the star it was before supernova is a total wimp - far less massive, hot and radioactive.

Are you saying that there's ancient sentient beings in the middle of SMBHs and that today's galaxies are much smaller, having been partially eaten by the SMBHs? Not sure what you're saying.

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Re: All a Fairy World? (Supernatural)

Post by BigBango » August 14th, 2019, 3:50 am

Greta wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 1:03 am
BB, a technical point. The Sun is not just 99.86% of the visible mass of the solar system but all of it, including energies, dust, dark matter and other ephemera. That makes us part of its emanations. If anything represents supernature to us, it's the Sun. Stars are truly intimidating, berserk entities, especially the larger ones. People talk about black holes awed tones, but only the supermassive ones are heavy hitters with their jets. A black hole compared to the star it was before supernova is a total wimp - far less massive, hot and radioactive.

Are you saying that there's ancient sentient beings in the middle of SMBHs and that today's galaxies are much smaller, having been partially eaten by the SMBHs? Not sure what you're saying.
As to your technical point, I think you are mistaken. If you have a reference to the science that establishes the sun as 99.86% of the actual mass of the solar system then I will eat turkey poop. To my retarded knowledge of these calculations, they were all done before we realized that something was wrong, because these mass estimates could not account for the rotational velocity of our galaxy around its black hole center. The actual mass of the galaxy was then seen to include some mysterious "dark matter" whose actual nature is yet to be determined. They really do not know whether or not dark matter is uniformly distributed among the solar systems of our galaxy, concentrated or simply outlying galactic mass. I would appreciate knowing the basis of your conclusions to the contrary.

"A black hole compared to the star it was before supernova is a total wimp" is true, however the black holes at the centers of galaxies accumulate the stars orbiting it that fail to use their technology to distance themselves from the center. As the galaxy ages its black hole center becomes a huge 1/4 or so of the mass of the galaxy. At the same time there are millions of other black holes in the galaxy that never amount to much.

Are you saying that there's ancient sentient beings in the middle of SMBHs and that today's galaxies are much smaller, having been partially eaten by the SMBHs? Not sure what you're saying. No! What I am saying is exactly the opposite. Todays galaxies are HUGE compared to the size of pre BB galaxies. After all, those pre BB galaxies came apart when they collapsed and each one in our world is now simply a part of one of our molecules. Of course that is simply the accounting of the pre BB galactic centers collapsing into a Big Crunch plasma. The story of pre BB galactic civilizations is one of escaping the BC/BB and then returning to the cooled mess in order to harvest its energy for its own anti entropic "fairy" purposes.

To reap that harvest, these advanced civilizations cannot just use its advanced technology directly for that purpose. Their advanced technology only has direct power over the elements of their pre BB world. In this world they are midgets and they must use their advanced technology for simple things like making ionic bonds or breaking them. Subtle chemical nudging that, while subtle, can establish primitive life on a goldilocks planet.

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Re: All a Fairy World? (Supernatural)

Post by Greta » August 14th, 2019, 5:27 pm

Actually, BB, the Sun really does comprise 99.86% of the solar system's mass. Jupiter takes up about 70% of the remaining 0.14% and Saturn takes up about 60% of that remainder.

Did you try checking? If not, you should, because refuting on instinct and requiring sources without providing your own is poor form. If your source is strong enough, it will either make the point or force the other person to produce references in reply. If you made the effort to look it up, then you'd find that figure is distributed by NASA and common knowledge amongst astronomers.

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Re: All a Fairy World? (Supernatural)

Post by BigBango » August 14th, 2019, 8:20 pm

Greta wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 1:03 am
BB, a technical point. The Sun is not just 99.86% of the visible mass of the solar system but all of it, including energies, dust, dark matter and other ephemera. That makes us part of its emanations. If anything represents supernature to us, it's the Sun. Stars are truly intimidating, berserk entities, especially the larger ones. People talk about black holes awed tones, but only the supermassive ones are heavy hitters with their jets. A black hole compared to the star it was before supernova is a total wimp - far less massive, hot and radioactive.

Are you saying that there's ancient sentient beings in the middle of SMBHs and that today's galaxies are much smaller, having been partially eaten by the SMBHs? Not sure what you're saying.
Greta wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 5:27 pm
Actually, BB, the Sun really does comprise 99.86% of the solar system's mass. Jupiter takes up about 70% of the remaining 0.14% and Saturn takes up about 60% of that remainder.

Did you try checking? If not, you should, because refuting on instinct and requiring sources without providing your own is poor form. If your source is strong enough, it will either make the point or force the other person to produce references in reply. If you made the effort to look it up, then you'd find that figure is distributed by NASA and common knowledge amongst astronomers.
Well I am having "turkey poop" for dinner tonight. "Back in the day", they did not know much about the distribution of dark matter but now they know about its distribution in space. I searched on "The amount of dark matter in our solar system". In summary, within the earth's orbit around the sun there is 2.3x10(12th) kg but the sun's mass is 2x10(30th) kg. The gravitational pull of the sun and planets are much larger than that of the dark matter. Therefore, we can almost ignore its effect our planets orbital speed.

However, in the Universe or our galaxy there is a different story. The density of dark matter near our galaxy's center is much greater than the density around our solar system. The farther a planetary system is from its galactic center the less is the density of dark matter.

Mea Culprit or Corpuscle or something.

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Re: All a Fairy World? (Supernatural)

Post by BigBango » Today, 7:28 am

Greta wrote:
August 14th, 2019, 1:03 am
BB, a technical point. The Sun is not just 99.86% of the visible mass of the solar system but all of it, including energies, dust, dark matter and other ephemera. That makes us part of its emanations. If anything represents supernature to us, it's the Sun. Stars are truly intimidating, berserk entities, especially the larger ones. People talk about black holes awed tones, but only the supermassive ones are heavy hitters with their jets. A black hole compared to the star it was before supernova is a total wimp - far less massive, hot and radioactive.
I grant you your percentages but I do not accept your conclusions. The black holes at the center of most galaxy's are huge players in cosmology. They do dictate the physics that occurs between visible elements of the world.
Greta wrote: Are you saying that there's ancient sentient beings in the middle of SMBHs and that today's galaxies are much smaller, having been partially eaten by the SMBHs? Not sure what you're saying.
Exactly the opposite of what you are saying. The galaxies of our world are immensely larger than their predecessor galaxies because the collapsed galaxies of the pre BB world became the molecules of our world. The ancient sentient beings are not in SMBHs but adjacent to SMBHs. Dark matter escaped the BC/BB by means of their technological prowess. We have to accept "technology" as an important part of cosmic evolution.

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