Is time change itself?

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Rr6 wrote:
Observed time is consciousness ergo observed time is occupied space as physical/energy ergo fermions, bosons and any collection thereof as observed reality with woman \**/ being the most complex consciousness, barring ideas of that which is a woman plus other.

Observed time is not a synonym for consciousness. Consciousness is not a synonym for occupied space. Woman is not the most complex consciousness.

What, in your opinion, are the attributes of "the most complex consciousness"?

Can you see that my sentences are simple and easy to understand, even if you don't agree with my opinions? If you write simple English sentences your ideas could be clearer to you.
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Belinda--Observed time is not a synonym for consciousness. Consciousness is not a synonym for occupied space. Woman is not the most complex consciousness.
Believe that one and you will tell us a bunch more just like it. Belinda, you have such a narrow mind-set. I feel you have in need of mind expanding education in several differrent sciences if you want to have a rational, logical common sense disscussion with me, and ability to be fair. Ive brought this fairness issue to you when it firs occurred a few weeks ago and you've ignored me-- turned your back on me --ever since.
What, in your opinion, are the attributes of "the most complex consciousness"?
See attributes of woman and you will have your answer. Man comes in close 2nd in most complex consciousness, barring ideas of that which is a woman or man plus Earth, solar system, galaxy, cluster or our finite, Universe in whole

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"U"niverse > UniVerse > universe > I-verse < you-verse < we-verse < them-verse
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Rr6 wrote:
Belinda had asked:
What, in your opinion, are the attributes of "the most complex consciousness"?

Rr6 answered:
See attributes of woman and you will have your answer.
No. I asked for your opinion. You had made a claim and I was trying to understand your claim.

If you continue to reply in good simple sentences as you have done here you will better understand your own strengths and weaknesses. One of your strengths, but not the only one, is ability to evade questions. The above evasion is better than those of your evasions that are not expressed in plain English.
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Belinda:

Relating this to standard errors of reasoning, I think it's an example of the "begging the question" fallacy, isn't it?

Philosopher A: "X is the most complex entity in the universe."

Philosopher B: "What are the attributes that qualify an entity to be classified as complex?"

Philosopher A: "See attributes of X."
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That's what 'begging the question' means! I'm never quite sure. It's one of those phrases, like 'light-headed' , which puzzles me.

Rr6 might be correct in his or her criticism of my didactic tendency. I suppose that the taking up of challenges is sometimes vanity.
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Yes, I think "begging the question" is one of those phrases that has changed its meaning. Its original meaning as a logical fallacy means assuming the thing that you're trying to demonstrate is already true. It seems to me to be similar to the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

-- Updated Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:29 pm to add the following --

That one means thinking you've demonstrated that a particular type of person has a particular attribute by simply defining, in advance, that type of person as having that attribute. So anybody without that attribute, by definition, cannot be that type of person.
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Belinda---No. I asked for your opinion. You had made a claim and I was trying to understand your claim.


See attributes of woman and you will have your answer. Man comes in close 2nd in most complex consciousness, barring ideas of that which is a woman or man plus Earth, solar system, galaxy, cluster or our finite, Universe in whole
If you continue to reply in good simple sentences as you have done here you will better understand your own strengths and weaknesses. One of your strengths, but not the only one, is ability to evade questions. The above evasion is better than those of your evasions that are not expressed in plain English.
First off I did respond with an answer to your question, you evade that truth that the answer is whatever you want to consider to be attributes of woman, and you evade posting what you think those are. What exactly is your ego in fear of Belinda?

This is no different than some weeks or months back where you treated me unfairly in or more threads, total ignored my questions posed to you, and then you got all higt mighty getting between me and Steve claiming I was not answering his questions.

I had already answered many of Steves questions in that thread and others. You ignored my questions to you turned you back on me. You refuse to play fair with me you have no respect for the ole saying what is fair for tho goose is fair for the gander.

Please share Belinda when your learn how to be respectful by playing fair.

We can never get to an almost or not quite infinite place i.e. we cannot get near infinite.

We can get near to the goal line, near to 5PM, near to ocean etc....because were dealing with finite's.

Below is what exists and I call it the cosmic trinity. None have rational, logical common sense comments that add to, or invalidate my givens as stated. And it has been 10 years or more now. The nearer we get to absolute truth the less we can refine our definitions of it..approximation......thank B FUller

1) "U"niverse/"G"od: The Cosmic Hierarchy

...1a) metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept i.e. concepts of space, God, Universe, infinity, concepts etc....
....spirit-1...spirit of-intent....

---------------------line-of-demarcation-----------------------------------------

...1b) macro-infinite non-occupied space, embraces the following,

...1c) finite, occupied space Universe aka Uni-Verse

........2a}observed time = observed reality = sine-wave frequency ^v^v or as \/\/\/ ergo physical/energy

........2b} gravity----metaphyscial-3, spirit-3 positive shaped geodesic arcs,

.........2c} dark energy metapysical-4, spirit-4, negative shaped geodesics arcs.

Some say they cannot understand, these relatively simple truths, and others say it is gibberish, and others only ridicule/mockery. Some lack the intellectual base, other have ego based mental blockages, others were born and or raised with sad lack of moral integrity.

All of those are lame excuses i.e, a crock and ego based for the most part. imho

As with all that exists, there exists eternal duality;

Occupied space time >< Non-occupied space ergo no time

Observed time/physical/energy >< metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts of time

Observed time exists as discrete, finite quantities of periods of occupied space, that, we observe as physical/energy ergo motion/flow, change/transformation and frequency \/\/\ or as ^v^v ergo change of direction a trajectory is constant change of direction.

Metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts
of time is our labeling of periods between beginnings and endings of time as;

1} seconds, minutes, hours of a mental space-of-time, and,

2} inches, feet meters of occupied space of time.

Observed time is consciousness ergo time is occupied space as physical/energy ergo fermions, bosons and any collection thereof with woman \**/ being the most complex consciousness, barring ideas of that which is a woman plus other.

Ex Earth, galaxy Universe.

Woman has womb and man has nothing comparable in that reference or aspect.

Consciousness is observed time, is the symmetries of all dualities ex above ( top ) interrelationship to below ( bottom ), front to back, inside to outside, shorter to longer, visible to invisible, within the asymmetry of contrasting states, or phases, or perceptions of an I-verse, that, is eternally embraced by an environmental set of constraints/limits.

Macro-infinite, non-occupied space is none of the above, yet exists as that space which embraces all of the above and allows for expansion-contraction of such occupied space without affecting the overall existence of macro-infinite non-occupied space yet defines the shape of the macro-infinite, non-occupied space.

Something--- occupied space Universe --- shapes nothing--- non-occupied space --- via Universe's outer/perimeter shape.

The truth is out there for those who seek it, those who do not seek truth, and those who only scoff at truth.

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