The problem with your argument is that you assume that the reverse set of events happen and you get the same situation when you reverse the time. Of course you get determinism in this way. I don't think if that is possible to reverse the time though so you need another argument to support your idea.Tashl2015 wrote: You (a DENIER) have a lunch with a DETERMINIST and there are two baskets on the table – one with white another with black bread. You take a piece of the white bread.
Determinist – See, it has been predestinated by a confluence of innumerable causes that you would have taken the white, but not the black, bread.
You – Absurd, it has been completely my FREE WILL choice.
Determinist - How do you know?
You – Simple, I could have taken the black.
Determinist – Yeah, now, in your IMAGINATION, thinking back in time, you THINK that by Free Will you could have taken the black, but the FACT is that in REALITY you DID take the predestinated white.
You – It proves nothing. I am CONVINCED that the white was my FREE WILL choice.
Determinist – Well, if you wish so, let’s put it your way: that you will take by your own FREE WILL the white has been predestinated.
The REALITY, by its factual existence, invalidates doubts and arguments against determinism that are being bred in the IMAGINATION of determinism deniers.
Paraphrasing HEGEL (What is rational is real and what is real is rational) – WHAT IS DETERMINISTIC IS REAL AND WHAT IS REAL IS DETERMINISTIC.
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The problem is the following... What if, in another universe/world/timeline (call it how you want), the white bread was simply chosen instead? We can't deny that there are causes, but we cannot prove the absence of slight random/variations either. Some paths appear to be statistically more chosen than others, leading us to believe that there are laws and 'predictible' events, but so far we have never been able to predict anything in our universe with 100% accuracy. Quantum mechanics seem to suggest that there is indeed a salt of random in what we are, with separate existences for each outcome.
Also, due to the complexity of the human brain (information bouncing very fast through the brain), any salt of random would effectively cause the existence of a class of worlds where the white bread was chosen instead.
(That was in defense of Indeterminism, from a former determinist.)
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