"R6...1a} metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept ex concept of Concepts, Space, God, Universe, Nature, Cosmos dogs, cats etc...,"
RM
I still don't get it. How can the mere concept of say...Space...be a kind of existence?
So, Rainman, you appear to believe that concepts don't exist, for what they are and I have cleary and concisely defined and found in many dictionarys... metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts.
Again three primary kinds of existence of 1} "
U"niverse:
.....1a}
metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts
---------------line of demarcat-on---------------
...1b} metaphysical-
2, macro-infinite non-occupied space, that , embraces the following.
....1c} finite,
occupied space Universe.
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There are no "kinds" of existence.
Use what ever identifier that suits your fancy, kinds/type/catagories/classifications etc.....that exist in the catagory for what they are.
Either something exists or it doesn't.
Concepts of Unicorns exist. Drawings of unicorns exist. Clay unicorns exist. Virtual unicorns exist. No biological unicorns exist.
A 6th regular/symmetrical polyhedron does not exist and cannot conceptually exist, ergo cannot be drawn, other than some making such a statement, or writing it. It is false concept that cannot be expressed in any medium visually.
Concepts of dogs do exist as
metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts. If you dont believe concepts exist, then why is it, that, those words and all the ones I correlate to them, are found in the dictionary?
Metaphysical-1, concepts are very common and absolute necessity for the present state of affairs on Earth the humans are responsible for. How can you not believe concepts exist is the real question.
Maybe you just mean that "space" exists.
Read my lips, again, two primary kinds of space exist;
...1b} macro-infinite non-occupied space, that, embraces the following,
....1c} finite, occupied space Universe.
This is simple stuff. Your overthinking or have some kind of relgious or whatever precondition that prevents you from comprehending obvious truths.
I would agree with that if you could show me how we can observe its existence.
I don't recall saying that, "we observe"
metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts. They exist for what they are. If you don't believe concepts exist and
metaphysical-1, mind/intellect, then I'm not sure a dictionary or any number. We deduce and accept metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts for what they are.
They are energy-less, no mass, no weight, no color, no taste, no spin, etc......
Occupied space has mass, weight sometimes color, charge, spin, trajectory frequency etc....
Macro-infinite non-occupied space has not properties ergo no charge, no mass, frequency no color, etc...
Can we see space, or hear it..
OF course we can see
occupied space. Are kidding or on some kind of medication ;--) My computer occupys space and I see it dude.
or measure it with a mass spectrometer
occupied space is obvious dude.
or taste it or see it in an electron microscope?
Some
occupied space we can taste, some we cannot. How can you not know what
occupied space is?
No. We pretend we can measure it but really we are measuring distance between objects not anything we can call space.
Huh? What you talking about? You appear to convoluting the three primary kinds of existence Ive laid out, as tho there are one in the same. Their not dude. C,mon Rainman, this is simple stuff, if you don't skew an convolute it into something Ive not stated. imho
You need to start with a dictionary. I know some people around despise dictionaries but they are what humanity has to approach some semblance of common agreement. imho
Maybe via the dictionary you can expand your mind enough to comprehend some rather simple and obvious truths I have laid out concisely and clearly. imho
Put all of your religious and conventional educational preconditioning aside so as to observe truth as it exists for all who seek it, those who don't and those who scoff at it. Simple. imho
Humanity has only broaden their scope of what exists, not gotten narrower, over the last 3 - 7 millions years. imho
r6
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Rr6 wrote:
Humanity has only broaden their scope of what exists, not gotten narrower, over the last 3 - 7 millions years. imho
In private message, BG, is concerned about use of millions of years, instead thousands of years for humanitys broadening of their scope of understanding.
I read some years back, that, via genetics, they have determined the split between apes and humans took place approximate 7 million years ago.
We have evidence of human existence back to some 3 million years ago. I think my statement stands as stated.
BG, asks for my age in same message. I do not like to give out to much personal information on the net. Suffice it to say, those who read my posts, will be able to discern some clues to my approximate age from various information Ive put forward. Ex, Ive been aware of greenhouse effect since Fuller first mentioned in his 1979 book "Critical Path: Speculative History of Humanity".
1} "U"niverse is the top of the cosmic heirarchy ergo the most comprehensively inclusive word/term.
....1a}
metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts ex concept of Concepts, God, Dogs, Space, Universe, Red Trucks, Nature, Consciousness etc....
............1aa} absolute truth ex there exist five and only five regular/symmetrical polyhedra of Universe,
............1aaa} relative truth ex the sky is blue, the trucks are red.
---------------line of demarcation---------------------
....1b} metaphysical-
2, macro-infinite non-occupied space, that, embraces the following,
.....1c} finite,
occupied space Universe aka
Uni-
Verse
..........1cc} fermions and bosons or any collective aggregate thereof as our observed physical/energy, reality, time, frequency, motion etc....,
..........1ccc} metaphysical-
3,
gravity,
...........1cccc} metaphysical-
4,
dark energy.
We deduce the existence of the above, 1b, macro-infinite non-occupied space, via our understanding of Universe being a finite integral/wholistic system.
Finite = integral
Infinite = non-integral
We also deduce the existence of
metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept via our conscious experiences i.e. we do not observe a concept running across the road in front of us, yet, it is obvious to me, and most common sense people, that,
metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concept exists, as what it is.
Denying the existence of
metaphysical-1, mind/intellect/concepts is also denying the existence of "
I " in "
I"-
verse. We observe an ongoing biological entity--- the verse ---and apply the conceptual identifier " I " to that verse.
We deduce time ( temporal } because are brains operate { temporal lobes } at speeds, less than those of speed-of-radiation. The
verse in "
I "-
verse is what we observe via our senses.
Observed
time is what deduce via our senses ( temporal lobes/brain ). NOt to mention time is inherent to any
verse involving any
occupied space involving fermions, bosons and any collection thereof.
..."I think that time is the biggest mystery of them all, and that it is somehow tied into and dependent upon our consciousness."....Kieth Mayes?
http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/What%20is%20Time.htm
Ha, finally I find someone else who agrees with at least one of the concepts Ive been espousing for 20 years or more.
...." I cannot imagine anything 'real' that we could apply an infinite number to. The only thing I can imagine that could be really infinite is nothing, the 'nothing' I described earlier in Where did the universe come from? and we have no idea if that exists."....
The truth exists, for those who seek it, those who don't, and those who scoff at it.
r6