Greta wrote: ↑December 21st, 2017, 10:50 pm
Namelesss wrote: I cannot go shopping without playing the ego game, nor can I write these things to you without playing the ego/thought game.
I understand the nature of the game, I Know better.
Not 'aiming' for anything.
"Above" does not refer to ego, which I explained in the next part of the quote:
But "all this" does.
and there is no doubt that we are effectively Flatlanders living in a 3D realm on the surface of an oblate spheroid that is smoother than a billiard ball. In that we are the same.
I don't know what 'category' of people you have lost me in, that poisons the well from which the unique bit of Truth that I offer is obscured to you, but I do not go around with an "we are all the same" mantra. Had you been paying fair attention, you would have heard the Truth that we are all unique Perspectives! Hardly "all the same".
Unless you are talking metaphysically how we are all Souls, or Consciousness, or all the same One Omni- Self! But I don't think that's what you mean.
A cigar is just a cigar, and so much more.
But reality does not exist only from the cosmic perspective; it is fractal in nature, and each layer ...
Hey, I'm not the one divvying up Reality, or existence. Reality/existence is all inclusive, One. All diverse roads of real inquiry lead to that same place, whether logic, science or mysticism!
Namelesss wrote:All subsets that comprise the One Set are 'conditional'. That is how we generally experience what we think of as 'life'!
Please explain.
As I have explained elsewhere on here, the only tool by which the unconditional transcendental Self!/Reality can be fully Known/experienced, is by the duality, the 'conditional' the 'not this' but 'that where-which all can be Known.
No map is the territory described. Many have spent ALL their time with the map and do not even think that there can be 'other' territory! What do you mean the map is not the territory?!?!
I have equated it to traffic control lines on a new blacktop lot at night. It might as well extent off into forever in all directions, not anything by which to take bearings. Se we paint lines, limits, parking, etc... and get to Know the lot eventually.
The lines, to some, become everything.
Others Know better.
And therein can 'play' some with the ruled and 'order' that the lines so comfortably represent.
Namelesss wrote:
Nope!
Knowing that this apple is essentially some 'information waves/Mindstuff', not 'material' at all, Knowing that the weight is more perceived 'information waves', that the 'smell' and 'texture' and 'taste' and 'fart, and the whole recycle thing, etc... is just more 'information waves perceived, seems not to interfere with the feelings of joy and gratitude and 'fullness'/relief perceived!
I can enjoy a movie like anyone else, laugh and weep, but, I do understand it's 'illusory' nature.
Much suffering is associated with those who do not understand the nature of their thoughts/ego and Reality!
Ask Buddha! *__-
Much suffering is associated with being alive per se, and it is only equal to those far enough from the pain to speak of it as an abstraction.
Again, you are putting these absurd "it's all equal" words into my mouth. Need I respond to it?
I can speak of pain because I KNOW pain! It is NOT an abstraction!
You also seem to be conflating 'pain' and 'suffering'!
They are not the same thing.
What of the visceral aspect? That most of our lives are spent messing around with the froth and bubble of reality is not in question; it is the relative depth of reality of those things and the fact that life on Earth is far from "a level playing field", a homogeneity.
One more time, you are not arguing with me as I have not said anything like that.
Yes, I have said that all things are made of the same thing.
Don't come to me if that disturbs you, go talk to QM! Even classical physics alluded to this.
Otherwise, on the more 'limited' level of our immediately present Reality, I have never even implied what you are arguing.
For us to converse, you have to dump your preconceived biases and simply be mindful. You need not agree, of course, but it would be nice if, after all this work, you are at least hearing what I'm saying so you can 'refute' the right things, if you can.
One can pan out and claim that everything is fairly homogeneous. Or one can observe in greater detail and appreciate the layers and variety of reality. I have debated this with numerous people because "all is illusion" is, aside from ad hominem attacks, my greatest irritation on philosophy sites. Basically the attitude says "you lot are talking rubbish because it's all the same illusion". I could not disagree more.
Ah, now we're getting to the source of all that toxic blinding bias...
Thing is, how can one learn if they dismiss book learning as illusion? Doesn't that mean they will increasingly focus on internal rather than external dynamics until they basically disappear into their own torus?
There is so much that can be written in response to this, but it seems to me that it is straying from the subject at hand.
"Dismiss book learning"? Is that what you think that I'm saying? Have I said that illusion must be dismissed? Especially after I said that everything exists, that Reality is all inclusive?!
Some day we can discuss exactly what 'learning' (and 'free-will/choice') means in a Holistic, motionless, timeless, unchanging, synchronous momentary Reality!
Or if it can have any meaning at all.
While we are at it, you can clearly define the boundary between 'internal' and 'external'.
The inside of your eyelids?
If so, 'internal' and 'external' are merely two mutually arising Perspectives of One and the same Reality!
The same thing; your 'internal' is my 'external'.