Is Dreaming an Encryption Procedure?
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I read a few interesting articles. One is about open timelike curves (https://phys.org/news/2015-12-computing ... ravel.html). These are where an observer goes backwards in their memory but encrypts the information such that the observers are non-interacting but for an entangled gravitational time-dilation.
Another article was about how entropy defying messages could be compatible with quantum mechanics so long as again the information is deleted. This is according to Lorenzo Maccone (https://physics.aps.org/story/v24/st7).
Lucid dreaming is where through intense focus you become conscious during sleep. When you consider major problems like scepticism (dreams are deceptions), why is there something rather than nothing (during sleep there appears to be nothing) and free will (dreams are super-determined in the sense that your thoughts are controlled to prevent you becoming conscious), they all get subliminally solved during sleep, so your unconscious mind knows the answer to these problems. Also consider the notorious binding problem of how the brain creates a unity of consciousness from disparate neurons. The only time all the neurons in the brain are in sync is during slow wave sleep so maybe that has something to do with it.
Just to preempt criticism, if people don't have free will like hard determinists believe then you're in the uncanny valley (creepy mannequins and people in masks; check out https://spectrum.ieee.org/what-is-the-uncanny-valley). And I think free will agnostics are a bit lazy. Yes it's a 5,000-year-old problem so we won't solve it in a day. But if you don't try you're guaranteed to not make any progress!
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Free-will/choice is impossible!Michael McMahon wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2018, 9:37 am Just to preempt criticism, if people don't have free will like hard determinists believe then you're in the uncanny valley (creepy mannequins and people in masks; check out http://www.the13thfloor.tv/2016/04/12/i ... e-android/). And I think free will agnostics are a bit lazy. Yes it's a 5,000-year-old problem so we won't solve it in a day. But if you don't try you're guaranteed to not make any progress!
All it is is a 'feeling/thought' that we vainly accept as Reality (makes like little 'creator gods')!
The actuality of such relating to anything other than the vanity of the ego/thought, is impossible!
I can offer plenty of support for this, if you like.
Calling those who might not agree with you names, i.e.; lazy, mask wearing mannequins..., is an ad-hominem fallacy, and doesn't lend credibility to your argument.
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I'll address your main points.Michael McMahon wrote: ↑April 4th, 2018, 12:24 pm I think one of the main reasons people don't believe in free will is because they're against harsh punishments for criminals. But I don't think the topics of free will and criminal justice should be conflated. It's perfectly possible to believe in free will while being against excessively harsh treatment for criminals. We clearly need a justice system that is fair to both the perpetrator and the victim and does't scapegoat anyone.
One, 'beliefs' are not rationally, logically 'chosen', they are 'caught' and 'spread'!
IF there is no 'free-will/choice', then any and all punishment is, as history confirms, useless, at best, and torture/insanity' (prison) at worst.
Well, they'll execute you is worse, I guess.
But if there is no 'choice', any punishment is ignorant and insane!
It is NOT a matter of 'degree'.
What we will evolve to do, with Republikkkans kicking and screaming all the way, is make the Loving transition from the insanity of punishment ('justice' is most often spelled 'R.E.V.E.N.G.E.'!) to Healing!
Healing is a win/win/win system!
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There is no such thing as ignorance or insanity if everything is determined. The urge to punish and the act of punishing would be just as determined as the crime. Further punishment is often seen as a deterrent or a harsh teaching device. And it clearly has that affect in many cases. And those effects still take place in a deterministic universe.Namelesss wrote: ↑April 4th, 2018, 9:46 pm I'll address your main points.
One, 'beliefs' are not rationally, logically 'chosen', they are 'caught' and 'spread'!
IF there is no 'free-will/choice', then any and all punishment is, as history confirms, useless, at best, and torture/insanity' (prison) at worst.
Well, they'll execute you is worse, I guess.
But if there is no 'choice', any punishment is ignorant and insane!
It is NOT a matter of 'degree'.
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Karpel Tunnel wrote: ↑April 10th, 2018, 4:47 amThere is no such thing as ignorance or insanity if everything is determined.Namelesss wrote: ↑April 4th, 2018, 9:46 pm I'll address your main points.
One, 'beliefs' are not rationally, logically 'chosen', they are 'caught' and 'spread'!
IF there is no 'free-will/choice', then any and all punishment is, as history confirms, useless, at best, and torture/insanity' (prison) at worst.
Well, they'll execute you is worse, I guess.
But if there is no 'choice', any punishment is ignorant and insane!
It is NOT a matter of 'degree'.
Just because all that is is already, doesn't preclude ignorance or insanity from being features of Reality.
When I defined Knowledge and ignorance, it was within the context of individual unique Perspectives.
In which, ignorance certainly does exist as defined.
There can be no Knowledge without Ignorance.
The same holds true for insanity, as I defined it.
Sanity cannot exist without insanity.
Nature is "a harmony of contained conflicts"!
Perhaps you missed those definitions.
The urge to punish and the act of punishing would be just as determined as the crime.
The moments of Torquemada and his tortures, like we, came into existence with the Universe!
These moments could never be otherwise.
Is that what you mean by 'determined'?
I'm not sure what you mean when you mention 'determined'.
In insane moments, there is punishment.
One cannot say that believing in the make believe, and acting on it (with fruits of violence and horror) is not insanity! Hard to make that argument, anyway.
As humanity heals from our insanity, there will no longer even be thought of 'punishment'!
All moments already exist, they do not 'determine' anything, they simply are as We Are!
Further punishment is often seen as a deterrent or a harsh teaching device. And it clearly has that affect in many cases.
History has shown us that it doesn't work at all.
That when someone seems to appear to respond in a particular way to your torture, you can be sure that it is just a natural manifestation of the nature of this individual, and you are taking (fallacious, vain) credit, as ego must do!
You don't seem to realize that there can be no 'cause', no 'effect' in a Holistic Universe, this one!And those effects still take place in a deterministic universe.
When all moments synchronously arise, there can be no 'causality'.
Thus the insanity of punishment/torture in an attempt to influence what is.
The tree is Known by it's fruits;
the fruits of insanity; violence, torture, predatory behavior on one's fellows, everything 'wrong' with humanity!
All health, spiritual, mental, physical, emotional... is predicated on the ability to Love, unconditionally.
These 'fruits' can be Known, also;
True, unconditional Love is ALWAYS Known by It's unconditional Virtues; Compassion, Empathy, Sympathy, Gratitude, Humility, Charity (Charity is never taking more than your share of anything, ever!), Honesty, Happiness, Faith...
ALWAYS!
Such sanity is a rare Light in the darkness of our insanity (which is just getting worse, or are you not keeping up with the news/history?).
re; punishment
It is also said that the definition of 'stupidity' is in repeating the same behavior in hopes of different results. *__-
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I mean, inevitable. The punisher's act of punishment is just as utterly determined (inevitable) as the criminal's criminal act.Namelesss wrote: ↑April 10th, 2018, 7:14 pmThe urge to punish and the act of punishing would be just as determined as the crime.
The moments of Torquemada and his tortures, like we, came into existence with the Universe!
These moments could never be otherwise.
Is that what you mean by 'determined'?
I'm not sure what you mean when you mention 'determined'.
I don't think a billiard ball can be insane. It just moves where it is pushed. So the punisher is moved where he or she is pushed, just as inevitably. If your acts are determines you are neither sane nor insane. You are doing the only thing you could possibly do, you are thinking the only thing you possibly could. The sane person is a red flower, the insane a yellow one. Sanity, insanity mean nothing. Stuff happens, periodIn insane moments, there is punishment.
One cannot say that believing in the make believe, and acting on it (with fruits of violence and horror) is not insanity! Hard to make that argument, anyway.
Perhaps, though if you are a determinist, then you should know that you HAVE TO THINK THIS WILL HAPPEN. You are compelled to and you cannot be sure why, since you HAVE TO THINK you reached that conclusion logically through whatever process you did.As humanity heals from our insanity, there will no longer even be thought of 'punishment'!
Then I don't really get your judgments that this or that person is insane. You seem upset about the way things are and looking forward to when they are different, while saying time does not exist.All moments already exist, they do not 'determine' anything, they simply are as We Are!
It sure works sometimes. But then, who cares. There is no time, everything is as it is.History has shown us that it doesn't work at all.
You don't seem to realize that if you are correct about the universe it does not matter at all in the least if I realize or not. I am what I am and it was always so.You don't seem to realize that there can be no 'cause', no 'effect' in a Holistic Universe, this one!
Insanity is such a negative word. Do you have trouble with what is and always has been and will always be?When all moments synchronously arise, there can be no 'causality'.
Thus the insanity of punishment/torture in an attempt to influence what is.
If you use fruits as substitute for causes, you are still talking about causes. You are still complaining about what is and had to be the way it is.The tree is Known by it's fruits;
the fruits of insanity; violence, torture, predatory behavior on one's fellows, everything 'wrong' with humanity!
'approach to getting results' is another way of talking about causes. You are complaining about the effects of what some people do. While elsewhere saying there are no causes and no time. Do you believe your own beliefs?re; punishment
It is also said that the definition of 'stupidity' is in repeating the same behavior in hopes of different results. *__-
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Then we are on the same page.Karpel Tunnel wrote: ↑April 11th, 2018, 12:35 amI mean, inevitable. The punisher's act of punishment is just as utterly determined (inevitable) as the criminal's criminal act.
Every moment of Universal existence is 'inevitably' as it is!
I don't think a billiard ball can be insane.[/quote]In insane moments, there is punishment.
One cannot say that believing in the make believe, and acting on it (with fruits of violence and horror) is not insanity! Hard to make that argument, anyway.
Neither do I.
Again, on the same page.
It just moves where it is pushed. So the punisher is moved where he or she is pushed, just as inevitably.
If all moments are inevitable, as it is, Here! Now!, then 'motion'; 'pushing', 'influencing', 'doing'... is not possible!
Just because you have no free-will/choice but to manifest who and what you are, at this moment, does not necessarily preclude either sanity or insanity.If your acts are determines you are neither sane nor insane.
You are doing the only thing you could possibly do, you are thinking the only thing you possibly could. The sane person is a red flower, the insane a yellow one. Sanity, insanity mean nothing. Stuff happens, period
I'm still waiting for that argument.
Still not an argument for or against sanity.Perhaps, though if you are a determinist, then you should know that you HAVE TO THINK THIS WILL HAPPEN. You are compelled to and you cannot be sure why, since you HAVE TO THINK you reached that conclusion logically through whatever process you did.As humanity heals from our insanity, there will no longer even be thought of 'punishment'!
The though that I see from here, at this moment is the thought that I perceive at this moment.
Nothing more and nothing less.
If I have 'caught a belief' in that thought, therein lies the bugaboo, insanity.
Insanity can always be evidenced in 'belief'.
Like it or not, it exists. Everything exists (is perceived)!
That I have no choice in the goings on of the moment, and that you seem to realize this, is the argument against 'punishment', but not '(in)sanity.
Not a judgment, but an observation.Then I don't really get your judgments that this or that person is insane. You seem upset about the way things are and looking forward to when they are different, while saying time does not exist.All moments already exist, they do not 'determine' anything, they simply are as We Are!
Very different things.
I already well defined 'insanity', as I use it, and 'sanity'. It's really not left to the emotions. It's a matter of the 'fruits' in the world therefrom.
Sanity is fruitful for all, insanity is not.
It sure works sometimes. (irrelevant sarcasm snipped)History has shown us that it doesn't work at all.
It sure SEEMS TO work sometimes!
That is just the ego taking credit for that of which it is not responsible. It is the nature of thought/ego believed.
What 'matters' to you is what 'matters' to you!You don't seem to realize that if you are correct about the universe it does not matter at all in the least if I realize or not. I am what I am and it was always so.You don't seem to realize that there can be no 'cause', no 'effect' in a Holistic Universe, this one!
All 'meaning' is in the eye (thoughts/ego) of the beholder.
I do not need to 'realize' that which you might. What 'is' is exactly what we 'need'!
The Reality of what you do not realize is that you are a unique 'you'/Perspective every moment of Universal existence!
One moment might find you stumped over how much cheese to put on your nachos, and another might find that genius shining through.
Every moment.
'Continuity' is no more than a mirage, a 'feeling', 'memory'...
Not at all, not even the 'uncomfortable stuff', as you seem to.Insanity is such a negative word. Do you have trouble with what is and always has been and will always be?When all moments synchronously arise, there can be no 'causality'.
Thus the insanity of punishment/torture in an attempt to influence what is.
All is Self! One Omni- Self! All inclusive, even of insanity and all dark corners!
Yes, God is insane!
And not...
Not at all.If you use fruits as substitute for causes, you are still talking about causes. You are still complaining about what is and had to be the way it is.The tree is Known by it's fruits;
the fruits of insanity; violence, torture, predatory behavior on one's fellows, everything 'wrong' with humanity!
Saying that an apple is sweet has nothing to do with 'causes' but is merely an observation of the moment.
Just calling an appearance of a Virtue when Love is present is an observation, not a judgment, as is the appearance of unpleasant stuff when Love is not around.
When I use 'fruit' (for those whose only refutation is in niggling wordplay), it means 'manifestation', that better?
You cannot entrap me in your self-serving web, because I know better than 'causality', as I have (repeatedly) demonstrated.
I'll make it easy, I am the world's greatest hypocrite!
Now, how does that help you refute anything that I said?
You are arguing for torture, punishment... what am I even arguing with you about?
I cannot, would not, 'change your mind, I am just offering this Perspective, which I have done.
You will 'heal', or not.
Many will have to die before humanity can (cumulatively) heal (learn to Love, unconditionally).
Yes, I used 'before', but I am simply using metaphor that you can understand.
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