Is Dreaming an Encryption Procedure?
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I also agree that if dreams did not present as rather chaotic and at best, symbolic, then the conscious waking mind could not cope with the huge burden of the collective unconscious. So this screening process would have a biological force towards natural selection.
I could interpret your camping in the wilds dream as if it were a short story in a book especially a book written by some symbolist author . However it's unlikely I'd interpret it for me as you interpreted it for yourself , as your dream was personal to you at that particular juncture in your life.
There are major myths that recur again and again across cultures. The theory of Jungian archetypes applies to these major myths. Thus we have heroes, tricksters, mother figures, father figures, wise old man figures, and devilish shadow figures. I'm interested in dream material and mood that reflects those archetypes for individual dreamers.It seems pretty clear to me that the shadowy chaser in your camping dream was the archetypal shadow.
I have actually camped in tents and surprised myself how a thin layer of cotton cloth gives a feeling of security and safety in the wild. Your unconscious mind knew better, didn't it!
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Mental time travel during sleep could assist our learning capacity. Being able to visualise the beginning and end of a tennis swing would almost be like you were jumping through time. Traditionally we learn poems through repetition and forming associations in our minds about imagery and synonyms. But another common tactic is to start the poem from irregular intervals to test if you fully understood it. For example when you're repeating the lines in your mind you could begin at the last verse and check if you remembered the second verse afterwards.
Notice how the stills, slow motions and rewinds can help in the analysis of Roger Federer's time-travelling shots: Roger Federer Forehand | The Racquet Drop and Lag
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If our brain is made from genetics then it's safe to say some of our dreams our influenced by our genetic ancestry. Maybe we don't experience the exact same dreams as they had because we might interpret their emotional mindset and moods in a different context. For example if we felt the same fear sensation in a dream as our ancestors did then we'd re-interpret the fear as arising through a modern series of events. A related concept is genetic memory which was mentioned in the penultimate post page 6.
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Jungian archetypes are indeed 'biological' in the sense that they are common to all human cultures in every time and place. I understand (maybe I am mistaken ?) anthropologists find cross-cultural similarities in the myths of different societies.Michael McMahon wrote: ↑September 10th, 2022, 4:12 pmIf our brain is made from genetics then it's safe to say some of our dreams our influenced by our genetic ancestry. Maybe we don't experience the exact same dreams as they had because we might interpret their emotional mindset and moods in a different context. For example if we felt the same fear sensation in a dream as our ancestors did then we'd re-interpret the fear as arising through a modern series of events. A related concept is genetic memory which was mentioned in the penultimate post page 6.
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The Jungian idea of archetypes in understanding dreams is important but it comes from two basic strands of thinking, ranging from the ideas of the soul going back to Hermeticism and the invisible, as well as the biological aspects of these. Jung seems to come from both angles and I see it as extremely important. I read your post a few days ago and I have started my own thread on sleep and dreaming, but have wondered if I would have been better to continue here. My own thread may be so insignificant because this is a thread which has been going for so long. Even if my own thread fails completely, I think that your point about Jungian archetypes is important because they may not be 'out there' realities, but aspects arising in biology and its basic impact on psychological subjective experience, especially that which is experienced in dreams.Belindi wrote: ↑September 11th, 2022, 5:41 amJungian archetypes are indeed 'biological' in the sense that they are common to all human cultures in every time and place. I understand (maybe I am mistaken ?) anthropologists find cross-cultural similarities in the myths of different societies.Michael McMahon wrote: ↑September 10th, 2022, 4:12 pmIf our brain is made from genetics then it's safe to say some of our dreams our influenced by our genetic ancestry. Maybe we don't experience the exact same dreams as they had because we might interpret their emotional mindset and moods in a different context. For example if we felt the same fear sensation in a dream as our ancestors did then we'd re-interpret the fear as arising through a modern series of events. A related concept is genetic memory which was mentioned in the penultimate post page 6.
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Some viewers might be deterred from reading my thread because of my somewhat extremist views on sleep. This means they might miss out on some of the more "moderate" posts in the thread. So I don't mind if other people want to start threads on similar topics. Thank you very much for referencing me in your own thread "What is the Significance of Sleep and the Nocturnal Side of Consciousness?".JackDaydream wrote: ↑September 16th, 2022, 10:54 am My own thread may be so insignificant because this is a thread which has been going for so long.
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Our breathing patterns are semi-voluntary and reflect both our genetics and our current state of mind. There are many of these biological cues that might be too chaotic for others to notice. Nonetheless our unconscious and ancestral unconscious might be able to use these signals to understand our current stress levels. As such there might be ways for dreams to be activated relative to our collective unconscious.
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I am glad that you are not annoyed that I have started a thread on dreams. I do read yours and did write a couple of posts a few weeks ago. Generally, I see yours as being like a personal journal even though you do engage with others as well.Michael McMahon wrote: ↑September 18th, 2022, 4:49 pmSome viewers might be deterred from reading my thread because of my somewhat extremist views on sleep. This means they might miss out on some of the more "moderate" posts in the thread. So I don't mind if other people want to start threads on similar topics. Thank you very much for referencing me in your own thread "What is the Significance of Sleep and the Nocturnal Side of Consciousness?".JackDaydream wrote: ↑September 16th, 2022, 10:54 am My own thread may be so insignificant because this is a thread which has been going for so long.
My own interest is influenced by Jung to a large extent but I like to approach dreams from a multidisciplinary approach, ranging from the ideas in cognitive science, to anthropology. I also have a strong interest in shamanism and transpersonal psychology and philosophy. I began reading Freud around the same time as Jung and do see Freud as having some importance, even though some see him as extremely outdated and unscientific. If anything, I see his own approach as pointing to the 'uncanny' in dream logic and symbolism, as portrayed in the movement of surrealist art.
Dreams and sleep may be considered as peripheral in philosophy and it is probably a shame because they are a large aspect of life. Your approach is fairly unusual but I would imagine that a lot of people read your thread because it has been going for a long time. I will continue with my own but I am not expecting much interest in mine and I have only had 2 people engaging with me so far. So, it is likely that I will continue to read yours in the future.
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I just thought I might as well tell you a really troubling dream which I had a week ago. It was while I while I was experimenting with the supplement, Melatonin, which I stopped using because the dream was rather unnerving.Michael McMahon wrote: ↑September 25th, 2022, 10:21 am This vivid dream had me in a restaurant in Turkey. I visited Turkey in real life a few months ago doing a series of tennis tournaments. In the dream I was climbing up the sun umbrellas by the outside seating. Then I jumped to the balconies on the upper floors. I never practiced climbing up buildings before but I told myself that the risk of falling would improve my reflexes. I knew I was in Turkey by the way my dream character had tried to convert the currency in the restaurant to euros by dividing by 10. I didn't mention tennis in the dream but when I awoke I related the dream to my tennis practice. The danger of losing a tennis matches forces you to focus harder on your technique compared to a training session. In other words sport competitions can artificially activate your survival instincts much like you were a tightrope walker. I imagine a tightrope walker learns their skill not only by mentally rehearsing their walking technique but also by taking risks with their safety which forces them to hyperfocus on their strides. Likewise the fear of losing a competetive match in tennis forces you to work harder than a neutral training session.
I dreamt of the world ending. Everything became dark and a huge cavern opened up in the earth. I could see dead bodies in the cavern, and I woke up. Waking up was a great relief but I felt unnerved by the dream all day. I have often had intense, strange dreams. I once dreamed that the moon split in two. I do also have some recurring dreams, which are likely to be related to significant personal issues. I do wonder why some people have more vivid dreams than others. Do you ever have dreams which you feel disturbed by?
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When my threads fade I let them fizzle, because I do write them on many different topics. However, I am aware that you keep on going and going. I probably wouldn't keep writing on one thread to the exteny that you have, but it is possible that I go to the other extreme though not trying to develop them enough.
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It's possible to interpret your dream individually relative to your personal life but also collectively. The Russian president has made repeated threats of nuclear attacks during the Ukrainian war. The violent political climate could play out in our dreams.JackDaydream wrote: ↑September 25th, 2022, 10:32 am I dreamt of the world ending. Everything became dark and a huge cavern opened up in the earth. I could see dead bodies in the cavern, and I woke up. Waking up was a great relief but I felt unnerved by the dream all day. I have often had intense, strange dreams.
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I definitely think that my dream about the end of the world is related to what is going on in the world and the fear of many. When I told the dream to someone yesterday, he remarked, 'that is how it may be if it happens'. The reason why I probably had the dream is probably because I have always worried about the end of the world. Initially, this was in a religious context, but later, more in connection with ecology and nuclear threats. So many people are worried about what will happen in connection with Russia. Also, some people may be more sensitive in being affected by the wider cultural fears in their imagination and dreaming.Michael McMahon wrote: ↑September 25th, 2022, 11:42 amIt's possible to interpret your dream individually relative to your personal life but also collectively. The Russian president has made repeated threats of nuclear attacks during the Ukrainian war. The violent political climate could play out in our dreams.JackDaydream wrote: ↑September 25th, 2022, 10:32 am I dreamt of the world ending. Everything became dark and a huge cavern opened up in the earth. I could see dead bodies in the cavern, and I woke up. Waking up was a great relief but I felt unnerved by the dream all day. I have often had intense, strange dreams.
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