Is Dreaming an Encryption Procedure?

[Belindi]

My sleep was interrupted by a lucid dream. I was in a lift with others and felt really disoriented. I attributed this to feeling extremely exhausted and needing to go to bed instead of thinking that it was a only a dream. I began to panic about how tired I was feeling which is a really unusual sensation. It was almost like I could collapse if I could't get to my bed quickly enough in the dream. In the next few moments I was teleported elsewhere so to speak and was passing by a group of people on a road at night. One of them asked me if I wanted drugs. I felt that it was a trap and I started to sprint. This made me become lucid because I realised that I was running faster than I could in real life.

Sometimes, if not always, bodily needs infiltrate dream stuff. Similarly mood, which is obviously linked to bodily processes such as hormones, affects dreams. I'd always interpret dreams and poems by their moods.

[Michael McMahon]

Sometimes, if not always, bodily needs infiltrate dream stuff. Similarly mood, which is obviously linked to bodily processes such as hormones, affects dreams.

Indeed I was exhausted even before I got to bed in real life. I'd gotten up at 3am the previous night and I struggled to stay awake before my tennis game at 7:30pm. Afterwards I went straight to bed and it's possible that my forgetful and breathless mindset kickstarted the dream in which I'd a similar sensation.

I'd always interpret dreams and poems by their moods.

I mentioned how I became lucid after I started running faster than normal. I left the following part of the lucid dream out of the description because I thought it was secondary but perhaps it might not be. As I tried to flee I realised that the chaser had changed direction to harass a different victim. I felt responsible because I'd lead the chaser into their direction. After a period of uncertainty I decided to turn around and chase down the suspect. Just before I caught up to him I awoke in real life. This reversal of mindset from fear to defiance is very difficult to achieve in the real world but not so much in an imaginary dream. So a dream can simulate not only bravery but also cowardice where our dream character flees and hides even if we wouldn't be proud of doing so. This means that our responses to a threat can be analysed and stress tested in an impartial way without unrealistic displays of heroism and self-sacrifice. Then when we awake we can regret any of our fearful decisions in a dream and try not to repeat them in the actual world.

"The hunter is usually the one pursuing the prey, be it a literal example of one hunting animals or the villain relentlessly hunting his victim in a sporting example of Hunting the Most Dangerous Game. But in some cases, the hunted gains resolve or the upper hand and turns the tables on his pursuer, turning the hunter into the hunted."
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[Belindi]

Sometimes, if not always, bodily needs infiltrate dream stuff. Similarly mood, which is obviously linked to bodily processes such as hormones, affects dreams.

Indeed I was exhausted even before I got to bed in real life. I'd gotten up at 3am the previous night and I struggled to stay awake before my tennis game at 7:30pm. Afterwards I went straight to bed and it's possible that my forgetful and breathless mindset kickstarted the dream in which I'd a similar sensation.

I'd always interpret dreams and poems by their moods.

I mentioned how I became lucid after I started running faster than normal. I left the following part of the lucid dream out of the description because I thought it was secondary but perhaps it might not be. As I tried to flee I realised that the chaser had changed direction to harass a different victim. I felt responsible because I'd lead the chaser into their direction. After a period of uncertainty I decided to turn around and chase down the suspect. Just before I caught up to him I awoke in real life. This reversal of mindset from fear to defiance is very difficult to achieve in the real world but not so much in an imaginary dream. So a dream can simulate not only bravery but also cowardice where our dream character flees and hides even if we wouldn't be proud of doing so. This means that our responses to a threat can be analysed and stress tested in an impartial way without unrealistic displays of heroism and self-sacrifice. Then when we awake we can regret any of our fearful decisions in a dream and try not to repeat them in the actual world.

"The hunter is usually the one pursuing the prey, be it a literal example of one hunting animals or the villain relentlessly hunting his victim in a sporting example of Hunting the Most Dangerous Game. But in some cases, the hunted gains resolve or the upper hand and turns the tables on his pursuer, turning the hunter into the hunted."
tvtropes

I think the "reversal from fear to defiance" may mark the onset of waking awareness, as defiance is active control of a fearful situation.

[Michael McMahon]

True. Thanks for the reply.

[Michael McMahon]

They say that being disorganised can create room for creativity. Yet it might work both ways in that continuously coming up with creative ideas could impair long-term planning. If new insights are liable to change your plans then you might find the future to be more unpredictable. So the creativity of dreams might inspire a presentist style of thinking.

"Well whichever way around the correlation is working, it makes sense that clutter and creativity should be linked to some extent. That’s because creativity is generally defined as the ability to connect disparate ideas to create new ones."
https://www.healthguidance.org/entry/17 ... nised.html

[Belindi]

They say that being disorganised can create room for creativity. Yet it might work both ways in that continuously coming up with creative ideas could impair long-term planning. If new insights are liable to change your plans then you might find the future to be more unpredictable. So the creativity of dreams might inspire a presentist style of thinking.

"Well whichever way around the correlation is working, it makes sense that clutter and creativity should be linked to some extent. That’s because creativity is generally defined as the ability to connect disparate ideas to create new ones."
https://www.healthguidance.org/entry/17 ... nised.html

I like and approve of the ability to remain uncertain. Ability to reconsider a plan when new insights or evidence appears on the psychological horizon ,or the physical horizon , is essential to creativity/adaptability without which sapiens would have been eaten by wild beasts before he knew where he was.

[Michael McMahon]

This dream made no sense. I could see very hazy images of the lower deck of a cargo ship being flooded. My dream character was concocting this explanation of how the ship will still float because the upper floors were free of water. It was as if the flood was useful to clean the area and create energy to move the boat in the direction of the current. It wasn't a lucid dream and so I wasn't overly perturbed by the gradual display of imagery. Nonetheless the theme of a boat possibly sinking into the gigantic ocean was a small bit nerve-wracking when I got up in the morning.

[Michael McMahon]

"It's a new dawn. It's a new day. It's a new life for me."
-Nina Simone song

If we have a 24 hour memory then it'd be like we were a new person each morning!

[Belindi]

"It's a new dawn. It's a new day. It's a new life for me."
-Nina Simone song

If we have a 24 hour memory then it'd be like we were a new person each morning!

True. Including long term memory you are a newish person each morning. Your biological inheritance will be constant but as long as your brain-mind can learn new stuff you are a new person to that extent.

Dreams can be used, as can any serious art form, to learn from.

[Michael McMahon]

In one dream I was overlooking some kind of historical fight. I saw someone throw a conscious head into a river. My dream character got enraged, climbed onto a fence and shouted that the killer would go to hell. The following morning this got me thinking about whether a conscious entity could live without lungs not only in a physical way but also psychologically. For example if an artificially intelligent human existed in the future, could they be designed without the need for breathing if their mind somehow existed on microchips? The breathing mechanism is semi-voluntary and even if other biological systems like digestion could be removed or replaced, it's hard to imagine a conscious state of mind that doesn't ground its existence in breathing. Another dream later last night was where I was giving directions to a passerby about a tennis club. I was on a GPS but it looked more immersive than usual where I could see cars moving in it. It was like a videogame and I thought it must be real-time satellite imagery. Soon I was moving around the scenes much like it were real life. A random section at the end of the dream was where I was speaking to someone about the lack of accommodation and asked why they wouldn't build skyscrapers. They responded by saying an airport was close by and tall buildings would interfere with the flightpaths. This goes to show that dreams can bear little resemblance to each other.

True. Including long term memory you are a newish person each morning. Your biological inheritance will be constant but as long as your brain-mind can learn new stuff you are a new person to that extent.

Dreams can be used, as can any serious art form, to learn from.

If for the sake of argument I were to exclude the time travel component of my dream theory then the encryption component could still render the decision-making capacity of the brain to be somewhat indecipherable to a brain scanner. For example if I were to base my waking thought pattern on something that had occurred in a dream the previous night then this would be invisible to anyone looking at my brain. So dreaming can make our thinking more chaotic and this might give more weight to free will compatibilism from a deterministic standpoint. If we included time travel into the equation then this would make us freer still and possibly beyond the scope of what the determistic laws of physics would allow.

[Belindi]

In one dream I was overlooking some kind of historical fight. I saw someone throw a conscious head into a river. My dream character got enraged, climbed onto a fence and shouted that the killer would go to hell. The following morning this got me thinking about whether a conscious entity could live without lungs not only in a physical way but also psychologically. For example if an artificially intelligent human existed in the future, could they be designed without the need for breathing if their mind somehow existed on microchips? The breathing mechanism is semi-voluntary and even if other biological systems like digestion could be removed or replaced, it's hard to imagine a conscious state of mind that doesn't ground its existence in breathing. Another dream later last night was where I was giving directions to a passerby about a tennis club. I was on a GPS but it looked more immersive than usual where I could see cars moving in it. It was like a videogame and I thought it must be real-time satellite imagery. Soon I was moving around the scenes much like it were real life. A random section at the end of the dream was where I was speaking to someone about the lack of accommodation and asked why they wouldn't build skyscrapers. They responded by saying an airport was close by and tall buildings would interfere with the flightpaths. This goes to show that dreams can bear little resemblance to each other.

True. Including long term memory you are a newish person each morning. Your biological inheritance will be constant but as long as your brain-mind can learn new stuff you are a new person to that extent.

Dreams can be used, as can any serious art form, to learn from.

If for the sake of argument I were to exclude the time travel component of my dream theory then the encryption component could still render the decision-making capacity of the brain to be somewhat indecipherable to a brain scanner. For example if I were to base my waking thought pattern on something that had occurred in a dream the previous night then this would be invisible to anyone looking at my brain. So dreaming can make our thinking more chaotic and this might give more weight to free will compatibilism from a deterministic standpoint. If we included time travel into the equation then this would make us freer still and possibly beyond the scope of what the determistic laws of physics would allow.

Dreams are chaotic and I don't see how remembered dreams cause waking consciousness to be chaotic. If dreams invade waking consciousness the resulting phenomena are hallucinations.

Encryptions are the products of someone's waking consciousness, not their dreaming consciousness.

[Michael McMahon]

Dreams are chaotic and I don't see how remembered dreams cause waking consciousness to be chaotic. If dreams invade waking consciousness the resulting phenomena are hallucinations.

Let's imagine you were so sleep deprived that you slept for 24 hours afterwards. So if you dreamt throughout the entire sleep journey, then it'd be more intuitive that a high dream recall could interrupt your conscious thoughts the following morning. Dreams that "invade" your mind when you wake up in the morning don't necessarily lead to hallucinations. Sleep serves a physical role too and so remembering too many dreams could lead to a slower breathing rate perhaps.

[Belindi]

Dreams are chaotic and I don't see how remembered dreams cause waking consciousness to be chaotic. If dreams invade waking consciousness the resulting phenomena are hallucinations.

Let's imagine you were so sleep deprived that you slept for 24 hours afterwards. So if you dreamt throughout the entire sleep journey, then it'd be more intuitive that a high dream recall could interrupt your conscious thoughts the following morning. Dreams that "invade" your mind when you wake up in the morning don't necessarily lead to hallucinations. Sleep serves a physical role too and so remembering too many dreams could lead to a slower breathing rate perhaps.

It was the word "invade" that made me think you referred to events where the information source is solely memory during waking awareness, which is hallucination. When the information source is mediated by organs of special sense such as eyes or ears you can tell the difference between the memory of a dream on the one hand, and immediate waking experience of a memory on the other hand.

[Michael McMahon]

It was the word "invade" that made me think you referred to events where the information source is solely memory during waking awareness, which is hallucination. When the information source is mediated by organs of special sense such as eyes or ears you can tell the difference between the memory of a dream on the one hand, and immediate waking experience of a memory on the other hand.

Yes. We don't tend to experience physical pain in a dream such as a tummy bug or leg fatigue. Nonetheless it be possible for a dream to simulate not only mental pain but also mild physical pain. If you remember a dream more vividly than your memory of the previous day then this would quite likely cause disorientation.

[Belindi]

It was the word "invade" that made me think you referred to events where the information source is solely memory during waking awareness, which is hallucination. When the information source is mediated by organs of special sense such as eyes or ears you can tell the difference between the memory of a dream on the one hand, and immediate waking experience of a memory on the other hand.

Yes. We don't tend to experience physical pain in a dream such as a tummy bug or leg fatigue. Nonetheless it be possible for a dream to simulate not only mental pain but also mild physical pain. If you remember a dream more vividly than your memory of the previous day then this would quite likely cause disorientation.

Do you really mean disorientation which is a state of not knowing where you are?
Would you agree dreams are most useful as material for interpretation when they are remembered for their mood?