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Whatever Consciousness is, it's Not Physical (or reducible to physical).

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Re: Whatever Consciousness is, it's Not Physical (or reducible to physical).

Post by Greta » August 22nd, 2018, 5:27 pm

Consul wrote:
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Greta wrote:
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There are many things we can't conceive. Non existence is just one of them.
We have the concept of nonexistence.
Just as we have the concept of the big bang. It's one thing to have a concept, another to imagine it.

Can you envisage complete nothingness?

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Re: Whatever Consciousness is, it's Not Physical (or reducible to physical).

Post by Karpel Tunnel » August 23rd, 2018, 12:38 am

Greta wrote:
August 22nd, 2018, 5:27 pm
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August 22nd, 2018, 1:12 pm


We have the concept of nonexistence.
Just as we have the concept of the big bang. It's one thing to have a concept, another to imagine it.

Can you envisage complete nothingness?
I am not sure I can envisage a lake or my ex. Certainly fuzzy images come, but they are somewhere between a sign and clear photo or film. And are they accurate?

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Re: Whatever Consciousness is, it's Not Physical (or reducible to physical).

Post by Wayne92587 » August 23rd, 2018, 2:09 am

Consciousness is a finally tuned intuitive sense of Reality.

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Re: Whatever Consciousness is, it's Not Physical (or reducible to physical).

Post by Wayne92587 » August 23rd, 2018, 2:11 am

Can you envisage complete nothingness?
Yes I can!

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Re: Whatever Consciousness is, it's Not Physical (or reducible to physical).

Post by Greta » August 23rd, 2018, 2:37 am

Oh yeah, what's it like?

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Re: Whatever Consciousness is, it's Not Physical (or reducible to physical).

Post by Consul » August 23rd, 2018, 8:29 am

Greta wrote:
August 22nd, 2018, 5:27 pm
Consul wrote:
August 22nd, 2018, 1:12 pm
We have the concept of nonexistence.
Just as we have the concept of the big bang. It's one thing to have a concept, another to imagine it.
Can you envisage complete nothingness?
No, I can only imagine a dark empty space; and, of course, an empty space is still something rather than nothing.
"We may philosophize well or ill, but we must philosophize." – Wilfrid Sellars

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Post by Karpel Tunnel » August 23rd, 2018, 8:53 am

Greta wrote:
August 23rd, 2018, 2:37 am
Oh yeah, what's it like?
There's nothing like it.

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Re: Whatever Consciousness is, it's Not Physical (or reducible to physical).

Post by Mosesquine » August 24th, 2018, 8:50 pm

Existence is to be the value of a bound variable. Non-existence is to be expressed as the negation of existence. So, the sentence "there's an F' can be expressed as '(∃x)Fx', with existential quantifier and bound variable 'x'. Also, the sentence "there's no F' can be expressed as '~(∃x)Fx' with existential quantifier and bound variable 'x' plus negation operator. The formula '~(∃x)Fx' can have its equivalent forms like '(∀x)~Fx', '~~~(∃x)Fx', and so on.

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Post by Wayne92587 » August 25th, 2018, 2:46 am

Can you envisage complete nothingness?
wayne wrote; Yes I can!

Greta
Oh yeah, what's it like?
Read my post. Aug 18; has the Universe existed forever or did it have a beginning.

Existing as the State of Singularity, said State of Singularity had no dimension; not in Time, not in Space and certainly not in motion, the Universe, the Heavens and the Earth, the Reality of Everything that exists in the material sense of the word being born of Nothingness.

A singularity being nothing, quantum Singularity being, existing as, the State of Nothingness.

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Re: Whatever Consciousness is, it's Not Physical (or reducible to physical).

Post by ThomasHobbes » August 25th, 2018, 10:15 am

Wayne92587 wrote:
August 25th, 2018, 2:46 am
Can you envisage complete nothingness?
wayne wrote; Yes I can!
No you cannot.
There is nothing to conceive about complete nothingness.

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Post by Greta » August 25th, 2018, 5:47 pm

Wayne92587 wrote:
August 25th, 2018, 2:46 am
Can you envisage complete nothingness?
wayne wrote; Yes I can!

Greta
Oh yeah, what's it like?
Read my post. Aug 18; has the Universe existed forever or did it have a beginning.

Existing as the State of Singularity, said State of Singularity had no dimension; not in Time, not in Space and certainly not in motion, the Universe, the Heavens and the Earth, the Reality of Everything that exists in the material sense of the word being born of Nothingness.

A singularity being nothing, quantum Singularity being, existing as, the State of Nothingness.
That is not envisioning, but abstracting. You cannot imagine it although, as mentioned, I don't think it much matters.

Your models of reality might be true, or they might not be. Nobody knows. We are little hominids on the surface of one planet with capabilities shaped by evolution that are more helpful for survival than understanding deeper truths.

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Post by Wayne92587 » August 26th, 2018, 11:12 am

You may not be aware, but the square is symbolic of the Material and Zero-0 has been representitive of the non-Material for eons.

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Post by Wayne92587 » August 26th, 2018, 1:33 pm

Greta;
That is not envisioning, but abstracting. You cannot imagine it although, as mentioned, I don't think it much matters.

capabilities shaped by evolution that are more helpful for survival than understanding deeper truths.
Greta, is not abstraction born of the Imagination? What about something that is not readily apparent, something that might be envisioned?

Is not the Theory of the Big Bang, the Expanding Universe, an abstraction?

This World of Reality is bound by Absolutely Bad Knowledge, Lies, a variety of Horrors, Great Suffering.

Suffering born of Mother Nature, cause and effect, is Necessary Suffering; However Suffering born of Absolutely Bad Knowledge, Knowledge born of Illusions, is not, is Unnecessary Suffering.

Greta;
Your models of reality might be true, or they might not be. Nobody knows.
I will not argue against that!

The existence anything that is not readily apparent, is not measurable as to momentum and location in Space-Time is Uncertain.


Greata;
capabilities shaped by evolution are more helpful for survival than understanding deeper truths.
Capabilities such as; Hate, envy, lust, murder, War, the death of innocence.

The evolution of this World of Reality, World of Illusion, is born of Knowledge having a dual quality, Absolutely Bad Knowledge mistaken to be Absolutely Good Knowledge, the Knowledge if Good and Evil, is born of Illusion.

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Post by Wayne92587 » August 26th, 2018, 1:55 pm

ThomasHobbs;[qutoe]There is nothing to conceive about complete nothingness. [/quote]

Thomas, Thomas, Thomas; The World knows that Zero-0 is symbolic of that which is non-Material, Nothingness,
God, that Zero-0 precedes a series of events, numbers, that begin with a Singularity of One-1.

In fact a Singularity One-1, attains a numerical value of One-1 by being the first Singularity in a series, by being the beginning of a process such as the Evolutionary Process, by being the beginning of a continuum such as Space-Time.

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Post by Wayne92587 » August 26th, 2018, 1:57 pm

The Secret of the Universe being the knowledge of how to square a circle.

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