mr533473 wrote:A, A, and B. Now, you probably think this proves some point but the options are far from exhaustive. They just bully me into selecting what you want by only giving me two options. Given we are talking about the imagination and you make one of the two options the experience of "actual burning astroturf" there's no real choice in the matter.. so yeah out of what there is choice of.. A, A, and B are "most accurate" but not conclusive.
You missed my overriding point. It doesn't matter
whether you picked A, B, C, D, or Z, or any other experience of your choosing. An experience is an experience.
"Everything that we experience, is still just... an 'experience'." -- RJG
Let this statement sink in a bit to grasp its full meaning. - If everything that we experience is still just an experience, then all we can do is just experience 'experiences', and nothing more
So, in reality, we are just the 'experiencers' of our bodily actions/movements, and not the "conscious causers" (that we have been indoctrinated to believe) of said bodily actions/movements. Not only that, but the conscious causation itself is self-contradictory (not logically possible).
Consul wrote:* There's a distinction between doings (actions) and mere happenings (events).
* There's a distinction between active consciousness/experience and passive consciousness/experience.
* There's a distinction between voluntary, deliberate imaginings/thinkings and involuntary, spontaneous ones.
* There's a distinction between the conscious processes which are our imaginings/thinkings and the non-/pre-conscious neural processes resulting in or underlying our imaginings/thinkings.
Yes. Correct. One is possible. The other is not
Is imagining/thinking something I do or something that just happens to me?
Well, both cases actually occur: there are both active, deliberate, voluntary imaginings/thinkings and passive, spontaneous, involuntary ones.
Not so. Incorrect. -- ALL
experiences are passive (one-way happenings), and therefore only 'one' case is possible.
Consul wrote:... In fact, one episode of imagining/thinking can be partly active and partly passive.
"We sometimes decide on what to imagine…; we form intentions to imagine this or that and carry them out. Imagining is sometimes deliberate."
Not so again. -- We don't/can't "form
intentions", ...we can only "experience
Consul wrote:"To anyone who reflects on his conscious experiences, there is an obvious distinction between the experience of voluntary intentional activity on the one hand and the experience of passive perception on the other.
Although we may experience the (so-called "intentional") 'urge' to do something, this does not mean that we somehow consciously 'caused' this urge PRIOR to our experiencing of it.
Furthermore, it is logically impossible to do something "intentionally". "Intentional" is self-stultifying. - One cannot “intend” anything without there existing the prior “intention” to do so, making the term itself self-contradictory, or self-stultifying.
In other words, although we may 'experience' urges (called "intentions"), we certainly cannot 'intend' (cause) our intentions!