Re: Could everything have existed forever?
Posted: March 11th, 2019, 9:08 pm
I'm tempted to say: An object with no temporal start only exist as a probability...?
Thanks, I'll properly introduce myself in the right section a bit laterRJG wrote: ↑March 11th, 2019, 5:02 pm@Plaffelvohfen
Firstly, welcome Plaffelvohfen to our group.
Secondly, all of what you say above still brings us back to Devans root question, "where did everything come from"? Did it "always exist", or "was it created?"
Either we can claim God 1 created God 2 which created God 3 which in turn created God 4 which in turn created "everything" -- OR -- we can invoke Occam's Razor and just say -- The "everything" has "always existed".
I would tend to agree that there's no escaping an infinite regress at some point, and I don't really have a problem with that... But I wonder what you mean by "everything"... Do you mean the very structure of the possible Multiverse (I guess we'd call this "everything" super strings) or just our own Universe, where this "everything" would be particles (even if those particles could be said to be "expressions" of entangled strings) ?? "Everything" can be vague a bit... If we accept that everything that exists is only a hierarchy of superstrings patterns, then if everything is "strings" (or dimensions) so, I would have to say yes, "strings" have always existed, they would be the very foundation of "Existence"... But I still see no need to invoke any god here, maybe a deist might but I wouldn't see the point of calling strings, god...
We could ask the same question from another angle, we'll reach about the same conclusion I think... There's a line of arguments about the impossibility of "non-existence", it goes somewhat like this.
"It is not possible for existence to derive from non existence. For existence to derive there must be something for it to derive from and such a something is precluded from existing without the existence of Existence. Therefore existence is not derivative.
Given that existence cannot derive from nonexistence, it follows that there could not be a condition of nonexistence. There is no such condition of nonexistence. Nonexistence does not exist, ergo, everything exists. Existence exists because it can. It follows that if anything can exist, it must exist."
But even accepting that, it doesn't change the fact that "things" can only exist in universes that allow for them to exist... Anything requiring the Time dimension to exist (like Logic I'd say...), will exist, but only in universes that allow the Time dimension to express itself, and there might be countless numbers of such universes... We could imagine other universes where the Time dimension is curled up on itself so tightly that it cannot express itself as it does in ours, and what could be said of "things" contained in this universe? Would it even be stable, might be another question... Well, that may be for another post but you get the picture, everything seems to actually exist from the super string point of view...
And I still feel no need to go mystical about it all...