Hmm. By "natural necessity" do you mean the laws of nature, or do you mean reliable cause and effect? We are free of the laws of nature because they are merely a metaphor. But there is no such thing as "freedom from reliable cause and effect", because reliable causation is necessary for everything we want to do.Belindi wrote: ↑April 28th, 2020, 3:45 amI don't think that is the application of 'random' that Marvin Edwards is talking about.Aren't you referring to 'random' to mean that , like roulette, you don't and cant know the causes?Terrapin Station wrote: ↑April 27th, 2020, 1:53 pm
I do. Again, I make a lot of choices that are phenomenally random. I enjoy doing that. There's no rationality to those choices on purpose.
When the philosophical problem 'determinism or Free Will' is reviewed the sort of randomness that applies to Free Will is the state being that is outwith natural necessity.
We ourselves are a collaborative collection of reliable causal mechanisms, from the beating of our hearts to the thoughts running on our neurology. All of these work together to sustain a single complex biological organism of an intelligent species. And they give us causal agency, via our choices and our actions.