Did We Fail The World or Did The World Fail Us?

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Did We Fail The World or Did The World Fail Us?

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Achieving personal growth is subjectively attainable for many, if not all, individuals. However, it is not easily accomplished, regardless of the arbitrary goal set forth and followed, either consciously or passively, by each competent individual. This may be achieved alone, as some individuals prefer, or rather, excel in contrast to communitive collaboration. Hence, the opposition to socialism, communism, fascism, and other political ideologies based on communal and militant authoritarian rule. However, this does not necessitate that all individual growth must be a solitary task, or rather, series of tasks, but instead expands upon an individual’s perception of his or her personal development throughout the course of the individual’s natural life. Other instances commonly utilize the methodology of other successful individual’s to either emulate or exhibit those desirable similarities, in the hope to silently follow the success of their own personal growth and/or goal. But that therein postulates the suggestion that the individual has lacked their personal growth due to influences beyond their relative supposition. The differences that divide may also enable communal assistance in procuring personal enhancement. However, as with most notable differences, there exists a common denominator that provides a sense of motivation because the method has been thoroughly identified. This is why many world leaders strive to keep power. Ascertaining the specifications of what exemplifies and what diminishes an individual’s province of arbitrary success is specious and should be heeded with caution. It is because of these differences that are established through this process that it ensures a viable and necessary unequivocal solution to the multifaceted logistics of the outliers of mainstream society, which were originally attempted to adhere to but failed due to Darwinism. That is not to say that every notion or ideology is to be ignored, because certain standards must remain in place, as to provide the centrical protection and focal provinces to inhibit the dangers to which the psyche is prone. Otherwise, one will find themselves in a jurisdiction of not only a personal hindrance but that of disruption in all matters. Enabling common denominators and essential ideologies is encouraged to become sovereign over an individual’s psyche. To determine what is an essential ideology is not necessarily arbitrary but rather evolutionary to every sentient and sapient species. And to that, finding personal growth within one’s self is not only a challenging course of action to pursue, but it is the foundation to establish a desirable adaptation of the untapped potential that lies within each individual.
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I haven't the faintest idea what the topic is supposed to be here.
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I think the difficulty here is the wording of the title. "Did we fail the world or did the world fail us?". "The world" is wholly an idea conceived within the idea of man, and "the world" in which we speak being Earth. The earth isn't an idea, we know its very real. Though the idea of "the world" is much to adjective. It has no human characteristics that we know of, it does not feel, it does not think, it does not speak. Therefore there's no world to fail, and if we were to have failed it, what was it expecting? Where did we let it down? How would we even know this in the first place? Lastly, how can you fail at something that you have no idea of? Though in terms of the state of the planets health, one could make the argument that we as humans have failed it with pollution, but that is for a different discussion. Now "Did the world fail us?" That is an interesting idea. The earth could fail us in many ways. Like the body can fail the person it belongs to. Though it would largely have to deal with us human. We could farm a field until all its nutrients are stripped. We could drain the water from a lake for drinking, leaving a large nasty hole in our wake. The list goes on and on.

" To determine what is an essential ideology is not necessarily arbitrary but rather evolutionary to every sentient and sapient species. And to that, finding personal growth within one’s self is not only a challenging course of action to pursue, but it is the foundation to establish a desirable adaptation of the untapped potential that lies within each individual."

Determining an ideology that is best suited for your personal growth is a relative ambition. What I need for my own personal growth may be the exact opposite of what you need. (I.e. I may need to take risks and experience the world around me rather than be held up in my room with no interaction, whereas you may need to stay in more and concentrate on whatever work or leisure activity that brings you joy.) We could even look at it from the same perspective. Say we both need to go out and socialize for our health. This can be done in many ways, you can go to a bar and talk with anyone there. I can go to the same bar and only seek conversation with any attractive women who catch my eye, Or you can go to a sporting even, and I could go to a festival happening in a local town. Personal growth says it itself. It is personal, we all want everyone to evolve and progress, maybe not for the reason we think. We like to see others succeed, because it shows us that we can to. The opposite is likewise to happen, but this is due to lack of understanding about the human mind and emotions.

The objection to socialism and communism plainly come from the past dealings and present examples of how the political system works. Take soviet Russia, poverty stricken, education was not a priority, High military state, and once again we can see how the acting czar acts like a king. Socialism, sure it's a little watered down compared to communism, however the bulk of the wealth and private possessions are appropriated by the "wealthy, or political elite". When one group or person has direct control over the capital of a nation or even just one person, they claim power. The problem lies in the easiness of claiming and keeping power. If a benevolent group of officials were to govern under socialism, we could infer that it would work rather well, however we could say that about any political system. The generous king, a president for the people, a group of priests that will lead you closer to your god(s). These are all best case scenarios which cannot be achieved permanently within the world of man, if at all.

Did the world fail us and or we it? I say no and no. We fail each other through lack of understanding and knowledge of the world around us and ourselves. The only thing allowing for this is the beautiful double edged sword of freedom. Freedom is the only thing that allows us to even have this discussion, under a communist or socialist regime, the elite acting leader of whatever sorts can decide to sensor anything it so chooses, another downfall of the lack of freedom and the crushing grip of a controlling group of leaders. The other edge of the sword, however also brings us to these discussions. It is up to the person to seek personal growth. If they do not seek it, they need not pursue it. This as we all know can bring various degrees of complication. (I.e. disinformation whether intentional or not, conflict, lack of stability, under educating)

I believe a better title would have been "Freedom or Control", and I say this because as I have stated above personal growth is wholly a relative goal, and want. Trying to force one into personal growth is the same as an age old saying, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." The discussion of the opposition to Socialism and Communism come from the idea of freedom that we live by here in America. As I say above though freedom is a double edged sword, and must be treated as such. We are still learning, still evolving as a species of life, there will be more trial ahead. Maybe then we can ask the question whether or not "we" or "the world" has failed. Hope that either helps or enlightens, this was my first post ever on here, really good piece though. :D
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Diascarus wrote: October 26th, 2020, 10:39 am...Determining an ideology that is best suited for your personal growth is a relative ambition. What I need for my own personal growth may be the exact opposite of what you need...

... Freedom is the only thing that allows us to even have this discussion, under a communist or socialist regime, the elite acting leader of whatever sorts can decide to sensor anything it so chooses...
Welcome to both newbies. :)
Good points.

Success & failure depend on the set goals or standards of measurement. A question to ask is what are some ideal universal goals? Maybe start with to live and thrive rather than die. Studies suggest that - even above even things like genetics & diet - health & longevity depend most on social connections (immediate/close & superficial/strangers).

To get along well & connect with others well, requires some level of emotional intelligence (empathy, ability to communicate well etc). Many (all?) of us walk around a but knotted up inside from inevitable past lack &/or dysfunction or trauma. To even consider positively affecting “the world” outside us, we need to get our own sh-t together but it seems few are up for positive disintegration.

Free speech is increasingly threatened and suppressed. Who’s fault? Those screaming “we need safe spaces?” - or those planting such ridiculous anti-progress ideas in their noggins?
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Many here are correct, when we are talking about the world, we mean to say people. It is no big secret that be becoming the dominant species of a planet, we have also claimed the title as the most dangerous foe. Only those who have witnessed the whole of war can be able to determine whether or not there are failings with us. Battle exists in many forms and stress is a trigger for many people. Millennia since the beginning of civilization as we know it and we still struggle with determining what is worth either compassion or violence. The 2020 film Unhinged is a good example. Imagine a car waiting at a red light. A pedestrian walks by and takes a long time. The car honks and it is loud. Does the person walking feel that an assertive technique is in order or will not feel that this is not worth the trouble? Acknowledgment plays a high role in an argumentative conflict than it seems. No one and truly know if the world is against them or the failings were of their own devices. What is certain is that before anyone should judge, they must first recollect at least the circumstances and the long term effects negative or otherwise.
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