Did We Fail The World or Did The World Fail Us?
- cj2101
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Did We Fail The World or Did The World Fail Us?
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- Diascarus
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" To determine what is an essential ideology is not necessarily arbitrary but rather evolutionary to every sentient and sapient species. And to that, finding personal growth within one’s self is not only a challenging course of action to pursue, but it is the foundation to establish a desirable adaptation of the untapped potential that lies within each individual."
Determining an ideology that is best suited for your personal growth is a relative ambition. What I need for my own personal growth may be the exact opposite of what you need. (I.e. I may need to take risks and experience the world around me rather than be held up in my room with no interaction, whereas you may need to stay in more and concentrate on whatever work or leisure activity that brings you joy.) We could even look at it from the same perspective. Say we both need to go out and socialize for our health. This can be done in many ways, you can go to a bar and talk with anyone there. I can go to the same bar and only seek conversation with any attractive women who catch my eye, Or you can go to a sporting even, and I could go to a festival happening in a local town. Personal growth says it itself. It is personal, we all want everyone to evolve and progress, maybe not for the reason we think. We like to see others succeed, because it shows us that we can to. The opposite is likewise to happen, but this is due to lack of understanding about the human mind and emotions.
The objection to socialism and communism plainly come from the past dealings and present examples of how the political system works. Take soviet Russia, poverty stricken, education was not a priority, High military state, and once again we can see how the acting czar acts like a king. Socialism, sure it's a little watered down compared to communism, however the bulk of the wealth and private possessions are appropriated by the "wealthy, or political elite". When one group or person has direct control over the capital of a nation or even just one person, they claim power. The problem lies in the easiness of claiming and keeping power. If a benevolent group of officials were to govern under socialism, we could infer that it would work rather well, however we could say that about any political system. The generous king, a president for the people, a group of priests that will lead you closer to your god(s). These are all best case scenarios which cannot be achieved permanently within the world of man, if at all.
Did the world fail us and or we it? I say no and no. We fail each other through lack of understanding and knowledge of the world around us and ourselves. The only thing allowing for this is the beautiful double edged sword of freedom. Freedom is the only thing that allows us to even have this discussion, under a communist or socialist regime, the elite acting leader of whatever sorts can decide to sensor anything it so chooses, another downfall of the lack of freedom and the crushing grip of a controlling group of leaders. The other edge of the sword, however also brings us to these discussions. It is up to the person to seek personal growth. If they do not seek it, they need not pursue it. This as we all know can bring various degrees of complication. (I.e. disinformation whether intentional or not, conflict, lack of stability, under educating)
I believe a better title would have been "Freedom or Control", and I say this because as I have stated above personal growth is wholly a relative goal, and want. Trying to force one into personal growth is the same as an age old saying, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." The discussion of the opposition to Socialism and Communism come from the idea of freedom that we live by here in America. As I say above though freedom is a double edged sword, and must be treated as such. We are still learning, still evolving as a species of life, there will be more trial ahead. Maybe then we can ask the question whether or not "we" or "the world" has failed. Hope that either helps or enlightens, this was my first post ever on here, really good piece though.
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Welcome to both newbies.Diascarus wrote: ↑October 26th, 2020, 10:39 am...Determining an ideology that is best suited for your personal growth is a relative ambition. What I need for my own personal growth may be the exact opposite of what you need...
... Freedom is the only thing that allows us to even have this discussion, under a communist or socialist regime, the elite acting leader of whatever sorts can decide to sensor anything it so chooses...
Good points.
Success & failure depend on the set goals or standards of measurement. A question to ask is what are some ideal universal goals? Maybe start with to live and thrive rather than die. Studies suggest that - even above even things like genetics & diet - health & longevity depend most on social connections (immediate/close & superficial/strangers).
To get along well & connect with others well, requires some level of emotional intelligence (empathy, ability to communicate well etc). Many (all?) of us walk around a but knotted up inside from inevitable past lack &/or dysfunction or trauma. To even consider positively affecting “the world” outside us, we need to get our own sh-t together but it seems few are up for positive disintegration.
Free speech is increasingly threatened and suppressed. Who’s fault? Those screaming “we need safe spaces?” - or those planting such ridiculous anti-progress ideas in their noggins?
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