WIth you I feel like I am banging my head against a wall.
I shall cease
TS probably just making it an example to make sense of his point.
This is pretty much what I was going to chime in with - ie that they're sets, and if you do 1a + 1b = 1a + 1b then it's really not 1 + 1 != 2, rather it's inferred when someone says 1 + 1 = 2 that they mean 1a + 1a = 2a, otherwise if they mean 1a + 1b != 2a and they say it as 1 + 1 != 2 then they're leaving out critical information.baker wrote: ↑December 8th, 2020, 9:59 am This is a matter of mathematical notation. If something is measured in the same units, then, for the purposes of calculation, we can drop the units. If, in a mathematical text, no units are given, it is assumed that the units are the same for all the numbers.
We mean
1a + 1a = 2a
and for the sake of brevity, write
1 + 1 = 2
Very simply and very easily, by just saying that they can. For example, we can say one of 'this' and one of 'that' equals two of 'them'. See, how SIMPLE and EASY we can say two of ANY 'thing' exists, and/or envision two of ANY 'thing' existing?impermanence wrote: ↑December 7th, 2020, 12:15 pm Reality is a slippery slope indeed. And assumptions are just that. It seems unlikely that the first math equation we are taught, 1 + 1 = 2, is only correct under a specific set of assumptions that are easily proven false.
I believe everyone reading this can agree that all points in the Universe are unique, that is, each occupies a space that is subject to unique forces. Therefore, each object, no matter how similar it may appear to another, is not similar.
Therefore, how can "2" of anything exist?
For one, people not having internalized the basic rules of mathematical notation.
Exactly. Which is why if one wishes to count things, one has to decide on the unit of counting. Many people seem to be rather averse to seeing this as a matter of choice.I get the conflict though - ie. no two things are identical down to an atom, the most common places where things are exactly the same are man-made measurements as well as currency.
I'm probably bringing up a bit of a political bugbear but our own anti-intellectual movements of the day pretty much show that what one might call 'epistemic sufficiency' is seen as an enemy by those who want power and the right to exercise it, especially if they feel like they need to take that power from someone else. It seems like it's the nature of Darwinian evolution to beat facts with violence, whether that violence is physical, social, or intellectual. Our own subconscious minds always seem to be wriggling out from under those constraints (Gad Saad was talking about this with Tom Bilyeu a while back).
There's a trope, among psychologists of the 1990's at least, about people with Asperger's not being able to suss out the human condition. I remember one of those researchers giving an example of a kid with all kinds of astronomy books and star charts asking the question 'How did we discover the names of the stars?'. What scares me - I might have been the source of that, as a seven year old that resembles me a little too well for comfort, and my parents did have me to see enough specialists that it's not unreasonable to assume that could have escaped my lips and stuck.Hans-Werner Hammen wrote: ↑December 25th, 2020, 4:41 pm The assertion THAT 1 plus 1 be 2,
it founds on the assertion of a societal agreement FROM/ABOUT the assertion of a thought, an idea, a presupposition,
that the order of number be 1, 2, 3, 4 and so forth.
From/about a different assertion of an order, namely it be 2, 1, 4, 3 (and so forth)
it would follow an assertion that 1 plus 1 be 3.
Any number is - as such, it-self, on its own, in its own right, in its very essence -
elicited, made up, fabricated, is no-thing (inside-brain-effect = imaginary + non causal = epiphenomenal) FROM/ABOUT some-thing (real, outside brain cause
Any number and any order of numbers does not exist - not as such, not it-self, not on its own, not in its own right, not in its very essence -
it is merely made up and is proclaimed = asserted = object-IZED = faked.
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