Subjects and Relations Philosophy

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Pattern-chaser wrote: April 10th, 2021, 6:50 am I'm still unclear on what you're getting at. You mention "other belief systems", as though contrasting them with a belief system that you have proposed. And yet I can't see the belief system that you champion. Is it something to do with "subjects" and their "relations"? What are "subjects"? Are they 'subject matter' (i.e. things), or are they 'human subjects' (i.e. people)? And so on....
A subject is whatever is being discussed. It could be anything. That is why it is the highest of all possible words (in terms of scope). A relation is more than one subject that is combined together. So, if we combine the two words, subjects and relations together, it is itself a relation. It is also a subject because we are discussing it. Philosophy can't get any higher (in terms of scope) than that. It isn't possible. There aren't any other words that qualify. Other belief systems can't make that claim.
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JHuber wrote: April 10th, 2021, 4:23 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: April 9th, 2021, 5:54 pm What about taxonomy?
What about genealogy?
What about semiotics?
What about symbology?

WTF are you talking about?
Those are ontologies. They are not philosophies. Those can't account for family, logic, games, humor, music and morality all in the same system.
You are being ridiculous.
You are basically wrong. All things listed are methodological philosophies. All ontologies are philosophies.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: April 10th, 2021, 6:50 am I'm still unclear on what you're getting at. You mention "other belief systems", as though contrasting them with a belief system that you have proposed. And yet I can't see the belief system that you champion. Is it something to do with "subjects" and their "relations"? What are "subjects"? Are they 'subject matter' (i.e. things), or are they 'human subjects' (i.e. people)? And so on....

JHuber wrote: April 10th, 2021, 4:32 pm A subject is whatever is being discussed. ✂ A relation is more than one subject that is combined together. So, if we combine the two words, subjects and relations together, it is itself a relation. It is also a subject because we are discussing it.
OK, so your 'belief system' comprises ideas and their connections, associations and relationships. I think I have just described 'serious thinking', not a belief system. It is as true, and as helpfully-useful, to describe philosophy in this way.


JHuber wrote: April 10th, 2021, 4:32 pm Other belief systems can't make that claim.
It's not clear what that claim might be. "Better", "higher", and the like, offer little in the way of actual meaning, I suggest.
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Sculptor1 wrote: April 10th, 2021, 6:34 pm
JHuber wrote: April 10th, 2021, 4:23 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: April 9th, 2021, 5:54 pm What about taxonomy?
What about genealogy?
What about semiotics?
What about symbology?

WTF are you talking about?
Those are ontologies. They are not philosophies. Those can't account for family, logic, games, humor, music and morality all in the same system.
You are being ridiculous.
You are basically wrong. All things listed are methodological philosophies. All ontologies are philosophies.
The way I have it is that those are not philosophies. They are topics of study. They are abstract. Genealogy, for example, isn't a philosophy just like cartography isn't a map or chemistry isn't a chemical. I think we just had a misunderstanding.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: April 11th, 2021, 7:17 am
OK, so your 'belief system' comprises ideas and their connections, associations and relationships. I think I have just described 'serious thinking', not a belief system. It is as true, and as helpfully-useful, to describe philosophy in this way.
This is the system that connections, associations and relationships are in.

Forgive me but the OP isn't the whole philosophy. The OP is just how this belief system applies in the world. I'd post the whole thing here but it is quite long. If you like you can see the whole thing here which is the second post in this blog: http://subjectsandrelations.com/blogs/
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All meaning is relational, apparent reality is a relation between a conscious subject/s and the physical world as an object. All meaning belongs to the conscious subject, in whose absence the physical world remains meaningless. The apparent reality is a biological readout of relational effects of the physical world upon a conscious subject.
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JHuber wrote: April 11th, 2021, 4:24 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: April 10th, 2021, 6:34 pm
JHuber wrote: April 10th, 2021, 4:23 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: April 9th, 2021, 5:54 pm What about taxonomy?
What about genealogy?
What about semiotics?
What about symbology?

WTF are you talking about?
Those are ontologies. They are not philosophies. Those can't account for family, logic, games, humor, music and morality all in the same system.
You are being ridiculous.
You are basically wrong. All things listed are methodological philosophies. All ontologies are philosophies.
The way I have it is that those are not philosophies. They are topics of study. They are abstract. Genealogy, for example, isn't a philosophy just like cartography isn't a map or chemistry isn't a chemical. I think we just had a misunderstanding.
You are only dodging to shore up your absurd Opening Post, which is at best confused, and at worst totally ignorant.
Semiotics, in particular is a thouroughly persued philosophy by many modern philosophers.

You are wrong fundementally since what you think does not exist, is so mundanely obvious that no one would consider it worthwhile to name it as a separate philosophy, since it has so many branches
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JHuber wrote: April 11th, 2021, 4:45 pm
Pattern-chaser wrote: April 11th, 2021, 7:17 am
OK, so your 'belief system' comprises ideas and their connections, associations and relationships. I think I have just described 'serious thinking', not a belief system. It is as true, and as helpfully-useful, to describe philosophy in this way.
This is the system that connections, associations and relationships are in.

In software design, there is a saying, "Everything is a network"; this is true, and universal too. In everyday thinking, we sometimes say that "everything is connected to everything else", which is just a restatement of the same truth. As Douglas Adams put it, you can extrapolate the whole universe from a piece of fairy cake - another restatement, with a little added humour.

Your "belief system" is simply "everything is a network". In your case, the network nodes are the "subjects", and the nodal interconnections are your "relations". This is not a belief system. It isn't even a system, just a simple aphorism.
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I do like symbology.
As it was brought up in another post, human consciousness could be said to be stationary in relation to reality, but I could point out that it could be that reality is stationary to consciousness or that they are both synchronized in whatever the case is. Angle-time cyclostationarity is used in brain signals to exploit synchronization. In this matter I could explain the word “harsh”.
Harsh is a subjective judgement done by consciousness thus, it is also a variable of projection that could show ample subjective individual values.
As an observer, I might say overreacting or being dismissive. Anyway, psychoacoustic function is a modulating variable used in the many stochastic spectrums of consciousness. Example: It is my opinion that Tom Brady goes in a stochastic repetitive function to activate his laser arm (brain image) reciting his mantra of higher numbers. He overreacts when the League wants to make it fair.
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