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psyreporter wrote: November 27th, 2021, 12:05 am
Belindi wrote: November 26th, 2021, 7:13 pmScience can explain consciousness.

There are exteroreceptors which are organs that receive nerve stimuli from the environment outside the body. And there are also interoceptors which are organs that receive stimuli from inside the body. In cephalic animals such as humans , both of these types of receptors send afferent nerve signals to the brain.

The brain itself is not furnished with any receptors at all. If it were so equipped then brain receptors could send afferent signals to whichever part of the brain does the cephalising. In this hypothetical case there would be no so-called problem of consciousness as the brain and the mind would be as much of a unit as is a finger joint and its sensation, or a bit of gut and its sensation.
That is not a valid statement because when it concerns an explanation for consciousness, it concerns the question why consciousness is possible and that means that it will concern the question why for example the indicated 'exteroreceptors' and 'interoceptors' have been able to come into existence.

It would be magical thinking to argue that the core qualities of life and thus of consciousness as manifestation has arisen out of pure randomness, and further, to think that a moment in time is the origin of life in its actuality today, with life today essentially being 'passed on' like a fire originating from that moment in time.

Simple logic indicates that life requires an 'external origin' ('external' being external from an individual perspective, with the whole of what is deemed possible within the scope of empirical reality, being an individual perspective).

The idea that consciousness originates from something that can be explained empirically, e.g. de brain, requires determinism to be true. The determinism vs free will debate is not a settled debate, which is evident from the website debatingfreewill.com (2021) by philosophy professors Daniel C. Dennett and Gregg D. Caruso.

The main argument by Free Will Sceptics is the following:

To make a choice that wasn’t merely the next link in the unbroken chain of causes, you’d have to be able to stand apart from the whole thing, a ghostly presence separate from the material world yet mysteriously still able to influence it. But of course you can’t actually get to this supposed place that’s external to the universe, separate from all the atoms that comprise it and the laws that govern them. You just are some of the atoms in the universe, governed by the same predictable laws as all the rest. ~ The Guardian

(2021) The clockwork universe: is free will an illusion?
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/a ... n-illusion

As can be seen from the reasoning by Free Will Sceptics, only the idea that mind has a primary role in nature could prevent a belief in determinism.

Scientific evidence for the idea of “a primary role for the mind in nature” is mounting from several angles. For example, recent quantum physics studies through experiments have shown that the observer precedes reality (the scientific “observer” = consciousness = mind).

(2020) Do Quantum Phenomena Require Conscious Observers?
“Experiments indicate that the everyday world we perceive does not exist until observed,” writes scientist Bernardo Kastrup and colleagues earlier this year on Scientific American, adding that this suggests “a primary role for mind in nature
https://www.scienceandnonduality.com/ar ... -observers

How observers create reality
https://psyreporter.com/pdf/arxiv-quantum-observer.pdf

(2018) Is the Universe a conscious mind?
https://aeon.co/essays/cosmopsychism-ex ... d-for-life

(2021) Can our brains help prove the universe is conscious?
If it is proven that consciousness plays a causal role in the universe, it would have huge consequences for the scientific view of the world, said Kleiner. “It could lead to a scientific revolution on a par with the one initiated by Galileo Galilei,” he said.
https://www.space.com/is-the-universe-conscious

(2019) Quantum physics: objective reality doesn’t exist
Clearly these are all deeply philosophical questions about the fundamental nature of reality. Whatever the answer, an interesting future awaits.
https://phys.org/news/2019-11-quantum-p ... oesnt.html
To ask "why" consciousness is possible implies a final cause (teleology). I support evolution by natural selection and there is nothing random or teleological about that.

If by "why" perhaps you mean how consciousness could be naturally selected. Consciousness , as we know from universal experience, is subjective so that each individual has privileged access to his own consciousness. There is advantage to the species of privileged access . Humans are a species of which the individuals learn from experience . Learning from experience is greatly enhanced when individuals compare experiences and ideas and so progress the general knowledge of the species. Obviously that process needs also language . Humans have the necessary anatomy for the phonetics of spoken language.

At this point you may ask "What about mynah birds and parrots?" I understand these and other species of birds are very intelligent. Birds do however lack opposable thumbs.
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For the sake of the topic, since the previous reply was lost as the last post on the previous page.
Sy Borg wrote: November 27th, 2021, 2:20 am
psyreporter wrote: November 27th, 2021, 12:29 amAccording to the CIA, ESP and remote viewing are real, which could imply something about consciousness.

CIA program director of Stanford Research Institute:
In my experience and according to most other researchers, it appears that an experienced psychic can answer any question that has an answer. I cannot wait to see what the future holds when we fully open the doors of our perception! It is time to accept the gift of psychic abilities. The hardware is fine; it’s the software that must be upgraded—and quickly.
https://www.watkinsmagazine.com/the-rea ... -abilities

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Let's say that no one is mistaken or being cunning, and it's true that expert psychics can correctly answer all sorts of questions they ideally wouldn't be able to answer, thanks to psi abilities.

That doesn't mean anyone can do it. What if these psychics are the telepathic equivalent of Olympic athletes? After all, some people have physiques, sensory acuity, fast twitch response, mental speed and spatial capacities that are far outside of the normal range, so most others could never achieve the same, no matter how excellent their attitude and coaching.

So tiny people don't win heavyweight boxing or weightlifting titles, just as huge people don't win at gymnastics, synchronised swimming or horse racing. So we can't expect those with all the sensitivity of a sun-baked brick to experience anything remotely like psi. If psi exists, that is. Such people's software is perfectly fine, just that it's not designed to read BCC emails, so to speak.
When it comes to the 'mind', physical and thus 'comparable' factors may not be at play and the mere potential would imply that 'anyone can do it' (potentially). However, any meaning relative to the human as a specie does require a 'human', thus a healthy normal human would be an aspect by which for example a whale may not have the same potential capacities, or not in the same way.

It is a logical idea that ESP, remote viewing or anything paranormal require something 'special', but the film Third Eye Spies showed that they recruited regular people from the military without prior experience with anything paranormal to perform professional remote viewing, and that the least experienced persons were sometimes better at the task. 'Anyone can do it', but there are people with talent.

There is even a remote viewing conference where regular people (public) can take part in remote viewing. It is showed in the film and as it appears, students and people without prior paranormal experience were able to perform 'paranormal' remote viewing.

International Remote Viewing Association | IRVA
IRVA is a non-profit, 501(c)(3) organization dedicated to promoting the responsible use and development of remote viewing.
https://www.irva.org/

When it concerns a theory of consciousness and when remote viewing is to be considered real, then at question will be how a theory of consciousness can explain that capacity.

With regard relevance for philosophy: the capacity to answer any question may come in handy. If one can connect to civilizations on other planets, or humans in a far future for example, that may unlock value-able insights. On earth it may enable to connect meaningfully with whales, dolphins and perhaps even plants.

If the human is not able to appreciate a meaningful connection with a whale, for example, why would a human 10,000 years into the future or on another planet be interested to connect meaningfully with humans from earth? The potential for valuing meaningful connections, for example between humans and animals on earth and beyond mere subjective emotions, may be vital.
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Belindi wrote: November 27th, 2021, 7:52 am To ask "why" consciousness is possible implies a final cause (teleology). I support evolution by natural selection and there is nothing random or teleological about that.

If by "why" perhaps you mean how consciousness could be naturally selected. Consciousness , as we know from universal experience, is subjective so that each individual has privileged access to his own consciousness. There is advantage to the species of privileged access . Humans are a species of which the individuals learn from experience . Learning from experience is greatly enhanced when individuals compare experiences and ideas and so progress the general knowledge of the species. Obviously that process needs also language . Humans have the necessary anatomy for the phonetics of spoken language.

At this point you may ask "What about mynah birds and parrots?" I understand these and other species of birds are very intelligent. Birds do however lack opposable thumbs.
I do not believe that to be valid. The question why consciousness exists can have fulfilment in many diverse ways that also includes options that lay outside the scope of the empirical, and thus options that do not require a final cause. Natural selection however requires 'something to be selected' (a final cause or teleology).

With regard natural selection not involving randomness, then, what is the origin of natural selection?

With regard consciousness being subjective. Did you watch the film Third Eye Spies? https://thirdeyespies.com/ (free on YouTube). How would ESP and remote viewing be possible when consciousness is merely subjective?
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Natural selection however requires 'something to be selected' (a final cause or teleology).
I suppose some algorithms do incorporate final causes. Natural selection is not one of those that incorporate final causes; and this we know because we have no control over the variables that cause natural speciation.
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psyreporter wrote: November 27th, 2021, 10:19 am
Belindi wrote: November 27th, 2021, 7:52 am To ask "why" consciousness is possible implies a final cause (teleology). I support evolution by natural selection and there is nothing random or teleological about that.

If by "why" perhaps you mean how consciousness could be naturally selected. Consciousness , as we know from universal experience, is subjective so that each individual has privileged access to his own consciousness. There is advantage to the species of privileged access . Humans are a species of which the individuals learn from experience . Learning from experience is greatly enhanced when individuals compare experiences and ideas and so progress the general knowledge of the species. Obviously that process needs also language . Humans have the necessary anatomy for the phonetics of spoken language.

At this point you may ask "What about mynah birds and parrots?" I understand these and other species of birds are very intelligent. Birds do however lack opposable thumbs.
I do not believe that to be valid. The question why consciousness exists can have fulfilment in many diverse ways that also includes options that lay outside the scope of the empirical, and thus options that do not require a final cause. Natural selection however requires 'something to be selected' (a final cause or teleology).

With regard natural selection not involving randomness, then, what is the origin of natural selection?

With regard consciousness being subjective. Did you watch the film Third Eye Spies? https://thirdeyespies.com/ (free on YouTube). How would ESP and remote viewing be possible when consciousness is merely subjective?
Natural selection however requires 'something to be selected' (a final cause or teleology).
I suppose some algorithms do incorporate final causes. Natural selection is not one of those that incorporate final causes; and this we know because we have no control over the variables that cause natural speciation.

True, final cause is one of the variables over which we have control. However final cause is useless for causing an effect in the absence of other contributory causes ; in the case of the causes of speciation these other, contributory, causes over which we have no control are environment, struggle for existence, and random mutations.
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Belindi wrote: November 27th, 2021, 11:55 am Natural selection however requires 'something to be selected' (a final cause or teleology).
I suppose some algorithms do incorporate final causes. Natural selection is not one of those that incorporate final causes; and this we know because we have no control over the variables that cause natural speciation.
Would that imply that magical thinking is involved when it concerns the origin of the quality 'kind' (speciation) that is to be achieved by 'natural selection'? And would that imply that the origin of the quality 'kind' (speciation) is necessarily the origin of consciousness?

I do not understand how you can argue that natural selection does not imply a final cause merely by the inability to explain (or control) the variables that cause speciation (kind on organism level).

With regard the statement that there is no control over the variables that cause natural speciation (kind on organism level). Wouldn't Eugenics be an attempt to control just that? If what you say is true, why would it be possible to attempt to top-down control evolution or would it be unwise or immoral to attempt to do so?

“Eugenics is the self direction of human evolution”
“Eugenics is the self direction of human evolution”

With regard the origin of kind being the origin of consciousness. I recently read the following quote from Plato which describes the idea that kind (specie) is of substance separate from individual life forms.
Plato wrote:According to Plato, an individual dog, Fido, for example, since he is not 'dog as such', but only a dog, is not fully real. To be fully real, Fido would need to be the universal essence, "Dog in himself", existing in a separate world of universal Essences (subsisting forms, or Ideas).

Since Fido is merely a dog, he is not fully real; its reality is merely a participation in the reality of the universal essence. Hence, he is merely a shadow (albeit a real shadow) of the "really" Real, the separated Form, or Idea, existing in the World of Ideas.
A recent study discovered that all particles in the Universe are entangled by 'kind'. This would have implications for physical reality as a whole. When kind is applicable to everything, then kind would be applicable on a fundamental level and cannot be subjective.

“Entangled by kind”
“Entangled by kind”
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(2020) Is nonlocality inherent in all identical particles in the universe?
The photon emitted by the monitor screen and the photon from the distant galaxy at the depths of the universe seem to be entangled only by their identical nature. This is a great mystery that science will soon confront.
https://phys.org/news/2020-03-nonlocali ... verse.html
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Would that imply that magical thinking is involved when it concerns the origin of the quality 'kind' (speciation) that is to be achieved by 'natural selection'? And would that imply that the origin of the quality 'kind' (speciation) is necessarily the origin of consciousness?
'Magical thinking' ?
I do not understand how you can argue that natural selection does not imply a final cause merely by the inability to explain (or control) the variables that cause speciation (kind on organism level).
Sorry! Final cause pertains to intentions. Nature does not intend. When men do control variables for breeding purposes the results aren't species they are only breeds and the agency of the breeder means the selection is not natural but artificial. 'Natural' selection always implies no final cause.

If the variables are controlled they are controlled for a purpose whereupon the breeding is artificial selection.

With regard the statement that there is no control over the variables that cause natural speciation (kind on organism level). Wouldn't Eugenics be an attempt to control just that? If what you say is true, why would it be possible to attempt to top-down control evolution or would it be unwise or immoral to attempt to do so?
I may be mistaken but I think eugenicists can attempt this, and my understanding is that it's illegal to make animal chimeras. Certainly it's illegal to make human chimeras and rightly so. It's immoral to make chimeras because the individuals inevitably live lives of pain and suffering.

I can't comment on the Plato bits of your discourse.
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psyreporter wrote: November 27th, 2021, 3:19 am
Sy Borg wrote: November 27th, 2021, 2:20 am
psyreporter wrote: November 27th, 2021, 12:29 amAccording to the CIA, ESP and remote viewing are real, which could imply something about consciousness.

CIA program director of Stanford Research Institute:
In my experience and according to most other researchers, it appears that an experienced psychic can answer any question that has an answer. I cannot wait to see what the future holds when we fully open the doors of our perception! It is time to accept the gift of psychic abilities. The hardware is fine; it’s the software that must be upgraded—and quickly.
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Let's say that no one is mistaken or being cunning, and it's true that expert psychics can correctly answer all sorts of questions they ideally wouldn't be able to answer, thanks to psi abilities.

That doesn't mean anyone can do it. What if these psychics are the telepathic equivalent of Olympic athletes? After all, some people have physiques, sensory acuity, fast twitch response, mental speed and spatial capacities that are far outside of the normal range, so most others could never achieve the same, no matter how excellent their attitude and coaching.

So tiny people don't win heavyweight boxing or weightlifting titles, just as huge people don't win at gymnastics, synchronised swimming or horse racing. So we can't expect those with all the sensitivity of a sun-baked brick to experience anything remotely like psi. If psi exists, that is. Such people's software is perfectly fine, just that it's not designed to read BCC emails, so to speak.
When it comes to the 'mind', physical and thus 'comparable' factors may not be at play and the mere potential would imply that 'anyone can do it' (potentially). However, any meaning relative to the human as a specie does require a 'human', thus a healthy normal human would be an aspect by which for example a whale may not have the same potential capacities, or not in the same way.

It is a logical idea that ESP, remote viewing or anything paranormal require something 'special', but the film Third Eye Spies showed that they recruited regular people from the military without prior experience with anything paranormal to perform professional remote viewing, and that the least experienced persons were sometimes better at the task. 'Anyone can do it', but there are people with talent.

There is even a remote viewing conference where regular people (public) can take part in remote viewing. It is showed in the film and as it appears, students and people without prior paranormal experience were able to perform 'paranormal' remote viewing.

International Remote Viewing Association | IRVA
IRVA is a non-profit, 501(c)(3) organization dedicated to promoting the responsible use and development of remote viewing.
https://www.irva.org/

When it concerns a theory of consciousness and when remote viewing is to be considered real, then at question will be how a theory of consciousness can explain that capacity.

With regard relevance for philosophy: the capacity to answer any question may come in handy. If one can connect to civilizations on other planets, or humans in a far future for example, that may unlock value-able insights. On earth it may enable to connect meaningfully with whales, dolphins and perhaps even plants.

If the human is not able to appreciate a meaningful connection with a whale, for example, why would a human 10,000 years into the future or on another planet be interested to connect meaningfully with humans from earth? The potential for valuing meaningful connections, for example between humans and animals on earth and beyond mere subjective emotions, may be vital.
While I share your interest in humanity's evolutionary potential, if remote viewing was proved it would have been huge news. So I remain sceptical. I appreciate that some personalities are inclined to to commit to the unproven than to question, while others require proof. There are advantages and disadvantages to either approach.

All this is reminding me of Dune. However, I suspect that the "spice" which might bring such mental powers to fruition will not be a drug generated by sandworms on Arrakis (more's the pity!). Rather, it would be virtual reality, where the participants have a fair bit amount of their mentality digitised to increase the veracity and, thus, immersiveness.
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Doesn't the film Third Eye Spies, the fact that a multi-million USD Government funded CIA remote viewing program has survived many subsequent administrations and the existence of a professional association for remote viewing that intends to secure proper use of remote viewing, provide a strong indication that ESP and remote viewing should be taken into consideration when it concerns theories for consciousness?

Pro-active ignorance for the prevention of magical beliefs does not seem justified in the face of the information available.

The question why scientific evidence for remote viewing is lacking is more in place than the idea that remote viewing is trickery.

An example book that addresses the subject:

The Reality of ESP
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The Reality of ESP
A Physicist’s Proof of Psychic Abilities. This book, detailing its author’s many successful investigations into the paranormal, should make those who deny the possible existence of such phenomena think again”.

Author Russell Targ, of Palo Alto, California, is a physicist, author, and retired senior staff scientist from Lockheed-Martin.


https://espresearch.com/
https://www.irva.org/

When ESP, remote viewing and paranormal is real, then, what does it imply for consciousness theories? Can the origin of consciousness be subjective in the case that ESP and remote viewing is real?

As it appears, ESP and remote viewing can unlock valuable insights for philosophical exploration on behalf of theories of mind and consciousness.
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Belindi wrote: November 27th, 2021, 3:42 pm'Magical thinking' ?
Yes, in this case by fundamental neglect of the origin of the 'variables' that determine the end result of natural selection: speciation (kind on organism level).

Wouldn't it be magical to assume that natural selection performs for a certain end result of which it cannot be said that it would have been otherwise, but still of which you argue that nothing can be known of the variables involved in making the selection other than that it just has performed as it did?

With natural selection perceived in that way, one essentially attempts to reside within the scope of what emperically can be made evident to have existed, with the end result of natural selection being the only aspect to consider, meanwhile completely factoring out (neglecting) the origin of that end result and even attempting to explain away intelligence (as in intelligent design) as requirement to achieve that end result.

My argument has been: "The origin of life is unknown. If it is not known where life came from, it is not possible to claim that what has been observed is limited to what has been observed. The origin of life cannot be factored out because it hasn't been observed."

Belindi wrote: November 27th, 2021, 3:42 pm
I do not understand how you can argue that natural selection does not imply a final cause merely by the inability to explain (or control) the variables that cause speciation (kind on organism level).
Sorry! Final cause pertains to intentions. Nature does not intend. When men do control variables for breeding purposes the results aren't species they are only breeds and the agency of the breeder means the selection is not natural but artificial. 'Natural' selection always implies no final cause.

If the variables are controlled they are controlled for a purpose whereupon the breeding is artificial selection.
If there is no final cause, then, what is being 'selected'? Isn't that which 'selected' in natural selection intends to denote something of which it can be said that it had existed?
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Russell Targ endorsed Uri Geller. However:
Dave Langford reviewed The Truth About Uri Geller for White Dwarf #43, and stated that "Randi puts the boot into the charismatic Uri. His scorn is withering; even if you think he leans too far towards skepticism (I don't), it's impressive and damning that Randi can duplicate any and all of Geller's paltry tricks without need to claim astral powers – while Geller's power mysteriously desert him when Randi or other professional magicians happen to be watching."
Extraordinary claims, as they say, require the kind of extraordinary evidence that cannot be denied. I like to see a more questioning approach.
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That doesn't imply anything with regard the information that I cited, the fact that a multi-million USD CIA remote viewing program survived scrutiny of four subsequent administrations, and the existence of a professional organisation for responsible use of remote viewing.

When paranormal is possible, then still at question is 'how to make good use of it?'. That question may be unexplored for the most part (in light of humanity's true long term interest), with some people who discovered it, attaching their personal emotional experience to it, which may explain attempts to make it appear that it is something special (a gift), or in the case of the CIA, that it can/should be (ab)used to effectuate political agenda's.

I noticed that you are interested in animal ethics. When ESP and remote viewing is possible, philosophical exploration may unlock unique value for protecting animal well-fare in a robust sense.
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psyreporter wrote: November 27th, 2021, 11:14 pm
Belindi wrote: November 27th, 2021, 3:42 pm'Magical thinking' ?
Yes, in this case by fundamental neglect of the origin of the 'variables' that determine the end result of natural selection: speciation (kind on organism level).

Wouldn't it be magical to assume that natural selection performs for a certain end result of which it cannot be said that it would have been otherwise, but still of which you argue that nothing can be known of the variables involved in making the selection other than that it just has performed as it did?

With natural selection perceived in that way, one essentially attempts to reside within the scope of what emperically can be made evident to have existed, with the end result of natural selection being the only aspect to consider, meanwhile completely factoring out (neglecting) the origin of that end result and even attempting to explain away intelligence (as in intelligent design) as requirement to achieve that end result.

My argument has been: "The origin of life is unknown. If it is not known where life came from, it is not possible to claim that what has been observed is limited to what has been observed. The origin of life cannot be factored out because it hasn't been observed."

Belindi wrote: November 27th, 2021, 3:42 pm
I do not understand how you can argue that natural selection does not imply a final cause merely by the inability to explain (or control) the variables that cause speciation (kind on organism level).
Sorry! Final cause pertains to intentions. Nature does not intend. When men do control variables for breeding purposes the results aren't species they are only breeds and the agency of the breeder means the selection is not natural but artificial. 'Natural' selection always implies no final cause.

If the variables are controlled they are controlled for a purpose whereupon the breeding is artificial selection.
If there is no final cause, then, what is being 'selected'? Isn't that which 'selected' in natural selection intends to denote something of which it can be said that it had existed?
Re "magical thinking". Scientists use deductive and inductive methods. The inductive methods i.e. repeatable experiments aim for objectivity but no scientist presumes he has captured every possible variable.Objectivity is relative to scientific rigour and is never absolute. The deductive part is mathematical measurement and statistics.

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There is no final cause; what is being naturally selected for in speciation is genes that, statistically over hundreds or thousands of years, tend towards more (rather than fewer) reproducers to repeat them in their offspring.
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If there is no final cause, then, what is being 'selected'? Isn't that which 'selected' in natural selection intends to denote something of which it can be said that it had existed?
Belindi wrote: November 28th, 2021, 7:13 am Re "magical thinking". Scientists use deductive and inductive methods. The inductive methods i.e. repeatable experiments aim for objectivity but no scientist presumes he has captured every possible variable.Objectivity is relative to scientific rigour and is never absolute. The deductive part is mathematical measurement and statistics.
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There is no final cause; what is being naturally selected for in speciation is genes that, statistically over hundreds or thousands of years, tend towards more (rather than fewer) reproducers to repeat them in their offspring.
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And those genes have emerged from pure randomness (random mutations) that are merely preserved on the basis of improved probability of a living organism to survive compared to others without that random mutation?

That vision has already been refuted some time ago, but it is highly questionable for many diverse reasons.

Darwin was wrong
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How can whales have advanced specialized neuron's that in humans are correlated with the human it's intelligence (reasoning, thinking, emotions etc), that are almost similar from a genetic and physiological perspective, however, while whales have had those neurons for millions of years longer in a water environment that was separated from that of land animals and humans?

Scientists have been wondering why the crab 'kind' is re-emerging in nature all over the place, for example. The phenomenon even received its own name: carcinisation.

Crabbification of animals
Crabbification of animals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinisation
Carcinization (or carcinisation) is an example of convergent evolution in which an animal evolves into a crab-like form from a non-crab-like form.

When kind is of substance outside the scope of physical reality, that could imply that for example the development of neuron technology, becomes available on cosmic scale for any living organism to '(re-)discover'. I personally believe this to be the case.
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Mark Victor Hansen, Relentless: Wisdom Behind the Incomparable Chicken Soup for the Soul
by Mitzi Perdue
February 2023

Rediscovering the Wisdom of Human Nature: How Civilization Destroys Happiness

Rediscovering the Wisdom of Human Nature: How Civilization Destroys Happiness
by Chet Shupe
March 2023

The Unfakeable Code®

The Unfakeable Code®
by Tony Jeton Selimi
April 2023

The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are

The Book: On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are
by Alan Watts
May 2023

Killing Abel

Killing Abel
by Michael Tieman
June 2023

Reconfigurement: Reconfiguring Your Life at Any Stage and Planning Ahead

Reconfigurement: Reconfiguring Your Life at Any Stage and Planning Ahead
by E. Alan Fleischauer
July 2023

First Survivor: The Impossible Childhood Cancer Breakthrough

First Survivor: The Impossible Childhood Cancer Breakthrough
by Mark Unger
August 2023

Predictably Irrational

Predictably Irrational
by Dan Ariely
September 2023

Artwords

Artwords
by Beatriz M. Robles
November 2023

Fireproof Happiness: Extinguishing Anxiety & Igniting Hope

Fireproof Happiness: Extinguishing Anxiety & Igniting Hope
by Dr. Randy Ross
December 2023

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes

Beyond the Golden Door: Seeing the American Dream Through an Immigrant's Eyes
by Ali Master
February 2024

2022 Philosophy Books of the Month

Emotional Intelligence At Work

Emotional Intelligence At Work
by Richard M Contino & Penelope J Holt
January 2022

Free Will, Do You Have It?

Free Will, Do You Have It?
by Albertus Kral
February 2022

My Enemy in Vietnam

My Enemy in Vietnam
by Billy Springer
March 2022

2X2 on the Ark

2X2 on the Ark
by Mary J Giuffra, PhD
April 2022

The Maestro Monologue

The Maestro Monologue
by Rob White
May 2022

What Makes America Great

What Makes America Great
by Bob Dowell
June 2022

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!

The Truth Is Beyond Belief!
by Jerry Durr
July 2022

Living in Color

Living in Color
by Mike Murphy
August 2022 (tentative)

The Not So Great American Novel

The Not So Great American Novel
by James E Doucette
September 2022

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches

Mary Jane Whiteley Coggeshall, Hicksite Quaker, Iowa/National Suffragette And Her Speeches
by John N. (Jake) Ferris
October 2022

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All

In It Together: The Beautiful Struggle Uniting Us All
by Eckhart Aurelius Hughes
November 2022

The Smartest Person in the Room: The Root Cause and New Solution for Cybersecurity

The Smartest Person in the Room
by Christian Espinosa
December 2022

2021 Philosophy Books of the Month

The Biblical Clock: The Untold Secrets Linking the Universe and Humanity with God's Plan

The Biblical Clock
by Daniel Friedmann
March 2021

Wilderness Cry: A Scientific and Philosophical Approach to Understanding God and the Universe

Wilderness Cry
by Dr. Hilary L Hunt M.D.
April 2021

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute: Tools To Spark Your Dream And Ignite Your Follow-Through

Fear Not, Dream Big, & Execute
by Jeff Meyer
May 2021

Surviving the Business of Healthcare: Knowledge is Power

Surviving the Business of Healthcare
by Barbara Galutia Regis M.S. PA-C
June 2021

Winning the War on Cancer: The Epic Journey Towards a Natural Cure

Winning the War on Cancer
by Sylvie Beljanski
July 2021

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream

Defining Moments of a Free Man from a Black Stream
by Dr Frank L Douglas
August 2021

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts

If Life Stinks, Get Your Head Outta Your Buts
by Mark L. Wdowiak
September 2021

The Preppers Medical Handbook

The Preppers Medical Handbook
by Dr. William W Forgey M.D.
October 2021

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress: A Practical Guide

Natural Relief for Anxiety and Stress
by Dr. Gustavo Kinrys, MD
November 2021

Dream For Peace: An Ambassador Memoir

Dream For Peace
by Dr. Ghoulem Berrah
December 2021