Is original thought possible?

[Sculptor1]

People literaly share ideas.

This is a perfectly cogent statement, and no one has, or ever has proposed on this thread, that there is an actual mind to mind connection to be able to do that.

Terrapin can protest all he likes, but he is tilting at windmills.
Since the entire Forum is a literal and literary sharing of ideas, it begs the question if this is impossble, let Terrapin describe what is actually happening here.

People share transmissions of ideas but they cannot share their receptions of ideas.

Mindless sophistry and pedanticism. It's not like there are any aliens here on the Forum who di not understand how humans share their ideas.
This whole sub-thread is a hopeless rerailment.

[Sculptor1]

All thought is original.

To get back to the thread

[Terrapin Station]

People literaly share ideas.

This is a perfectly cogent statement, and no one has, or ever has proposed on this thread, that there is an actual mind to mind connection to be able to do that.

Terrapin can protest all he likes, but he is tilting at windmills.
Since the entire Forum is a literal and literary sharing of ideas, it begs the question if this is impossble, let Terrapin describe what is actually happening here.

Do you not believe that an idea is mental phenomena?

[Belindi]

People literaly share ideas.

This is a perfectly cogent statement, and no one has, or ever has proposed on this thread, that there is an actual mind to mind connection to be able to do that.

Terrapin can protest all he likes, but he is tilting at windmills.
Since the entire Forum is a literal and literary sharing of ideas, it begs the question if this is impossble, let Terrapin describe what is actually happening here.

People share transmissions of ideas but they cannot share their receptions of ideas.

Mindless sophistry and pedanticism. It's not like there are any aliens here on the Forum who di not understand how humans share their ideas.
This whole sub-thread is a hopeless rerailment.

You just illustrated how I transmitted my idea the same to all the people here who read it, and how you have received the idea in your own peculiar way, and then transmitted your own adaptation.
Where it is very important that ideas are transmitted and received without adaptations or errors, i.e. air traffic control, there is jargon and procedure to make explicit and foolproof the transfer of information.

[Sculptor1]

So to return to the thread!

All thoughts are original, in that they originate in the mind that conceives them.
All thoughts have antecedent causes, including other thoughts, from the same mind that had the thought and from other minds who have shared those thoughts through expression of ideas.

[Sculptor1]

People literaly share ideas.

This is a perfectly cogent statement, and no one has, or ever has proposed on this thread, that there is an actual mind to mind connection to be able to do that.

Terrapin can protest all he likes, but he is tilting at windmills.
Since the entire Forum is a literal and literary sharing of ideas, it begs the question if this is impossble, let Terrapin describe what is actually happening here.

Do you not believe that an idea is mental phenomena?

I think we've discussed this ad nauseam.
I made my position very clear in my first post

[Terrapin Station]

People literaly share ideas.

This is a perfectly cogent statement, and no one has, or ever has proposed on this thread, that there is an actual mind to mind connection to be able to do that.

Terrapin can protest all he likes, but he is tilting at windmills.
Since the entire Forum is a literal and literary sharing of ideas, it begs the question if this is impossble, let Terrapin describe what is actually happening here.

Do you not believe that an idea is mental phenomena?

I think we've discussed this ad nauseam.
I made my position very clear in my first post

How the hell could we direct my remarks to myself when I'm not the person who can't / won't answer a simple question?

That's exactly the sort of complete bullcrap that my remarks were about.

[Pattern-chaser]

All thoughts are original, in that they originate in the mind that conceives them.

Please! We all know that this is not the intended sense of the word "original". Wasn't it you that was just complaining about pedantry ("pedanticism")?

[Sculptor1]

People literaly share ideas.

This is a perfectly cogent statement, and no one has, or ever has proposed on this thread, that there is an actual mind to mind connection to be able to do that.

Terrapin can protest all he likes, but he is tilting at windmills.
Since the entire Forum is a literal and literary sharing of ideas, it begs the question if this is impossble, let Terrapin describe what is actually happening here.

Do you not believe that an idea is mental phenomena?

I think we've discussed this ad nauseam.
I made my position very clear in my first post

How the hell could we direct my remarks to myself when I'm not the person who can't / won't answer a simple question?

That's exactly the sort of complete bullcrap that my remarks were about.

Please refer to the remarks I have previously made on this topic which have been crystal clear and consistent from the outset.

[Sculptor1]

All thoughts are original, in that they originate in the mind that conceives them.

Please! We all know that this is not the intended sense of the word "original". Wasn't it you that was just complaining about pedantry ("pedanticism")?

There is no pedanticism here.
I am using the word in its clear and literal meaning.
If you think there is another meaning, please cite.

[Belindi]

How could thoughts possibly originate in any individual when all individuals are reared by others?

Thoughts originate in a culture of belief. If a feral child is reared by monkeys the child will learn the monkeys' culture of beliefs.

What intelligent individuals have freedom to do, is select from among several ideas and make different and unique patterns of them: that is the creative activity that makes a man's ideas unique to the individual.

[Pattern-chaser]

All thoughts are original, in that they originate in the mind that conceives them.

Please! We all know that this is not the intended sense of the word "original". Wasn't it you that was just complaining about pedantry ("pedanticism")?

There is no pedanticism here.
I am using the word in its clear and literal meaning.

As I said, "this is not the intended sense of the word". For awkwardness' sake, you choose to use a different sense of the word, also included in the dictionary definition. But you know perfectly well that that meaning was not the one intended in the OP, to which we are responding.

If you think there is another meaning, please cite.

OK

original adjective (DIFFERENT)
B1 approving
not the same as anything or anyone else and therefore special and interesting:

• original ideas/suggestions/work
• She's a highly original young designer.

[Sculptor1]

How could thoughts possibly originate in any individual when all individuals are reared by others?

Because a thought is a mental act.
Or you could argue that nothing at all is original except the Big Bang.

Thoughts originate in a culture of belief. If a feral child is reared by monkeys the child will learn the monkeys' culture of beliefs.

No:
ideas appear in cultures, by word of mouth, texts and other means of commication. As we have all discussed at some length (and I have been insulted for suggesting) that thoughts are not like ideas in that the thought is a mental act, whereas an idea is the external version of such thoughts. When an idea is received by a subject it cannot fail to be modified by each individual. Such thoughts as result are not directly accessible, but may lead to the expression (extrasomatically) of ideas.
A feral child may act like a monkey but her thoughts are her own.

What intelligent individuals have freedom to do, is select from among several ideas and make different and unique patterns of them: that is the creative activity that makes a man's ideas unique to the individual.

As I have said repeatedly, as we acknowledge the thread title we should be clear of out definitions and distinctions between "thoughts", ideas and beliefs, which you seem to conflate during this post.

[Terrapin Station]

How could thoughts possibly originate in any individual when all individuals are reared by others?

So let's ask this about other sorts of things:
How can sounds originate in your speakers when the speakers are created by something else?
Would you think that the sounds must exist in just the same way that they do when you come out your speakers, and that those sounds just travel to your speakers wholesale? Why can't you hear the sounds as they travel through the wires, etc. on the way to your speakers in that case?

How can an apple originate from an apple tree when the tree is created by something else?
Would you think that the apple, just like the one you eat, must exist in just the same way, and somehow it travels to the tree for the tree to display the apple? Why can't you eat the apple as it travels to the tree instead?

[Terrapin Station]

Does the above seem like good reasoning to you?

If not, why does it seem like good reasoning when you contemplate thoughts, ideas, etc.?