The Green Paradox

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joeshestak wrote: April 19th, 2022, 2:53 am Most people think that nuclear will form a large part of out future energy, Energy Heights Services - Energy Consultants specializes in implementing methods and strategies to reduce energy consumption or achieve savings. Find details about NYC Local Law LL84, LL33, LL133, LL97 scores.
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WanderingGaze22 wrote: November 14th, 2021, 2:50 am The Green Paradox refers to an undesirable effect of environmental measures.

People believe that environmentally-friendly legislation that lowers demand for fossil fuels can reduce carbon dioxide emissions and thus protect the climate. But how is that supposed to work? We cannot cancel out the worldwide supply of carbon with our energy-saving policy. We are only partially reducing demand and are thus lowering the increase in world market prices, but no more than that. We in a way only making the problem worse. The resources available still have to be extracted if they are to be used. If we threaten resource owners with ever more environmentally-friendly policy that will destroy their future business, they preempt the threat and extract their resources even faster. Instead of slowing down climate change, we accelerate it.

Watching how many time we flush in one day and reusing every plastic is not enough. What DIY tactics can be used to combat a preemptive maneuver? How can we be able to apply electric motors and city layouts so that where we need to go on a weekly basis is within a convenient area such as markets and other essentials.
Proscriptions against meat is one such example.

What would the world be like if you banned meat? Loss of pasture land. What would happen to that land? Could you guarantee a lower carbon footprint? I doubt it. It it went back to rewilding natural herbivores would graze replacing the sheep that are now banned. Turn it over to grain? At the very moment carbohydrates are being identified as the chief cause of the metabolic crisis with T2 diabetes, NAFLD, inflammatory syndrome, atherosclerosis. Maybe you'd want to use it to make biolfuels. surely that would dump as much carbon into the atmosphere?
Are we ready to see the extinction of all those domesticants? How sure are we that a vegetarian diet could delivery on the nutritional needs of people?
Electric cars might reduce local pollution but they still need energy to run them. And the transport and storage of electricity is inefficient. Cars require rare earth metals. Will there be enough and cheaply enough before they run out? What are the negative effects and costs of wholesale recycling. Can it be done safely? What about the massive infrastructure of charging points? Have we enough copper in the world, and how and where is it mined? Who is going to care about the miners?
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Sculptor1 wrote: April 19th, 2022, 8:41 am What would the world be like if you banned meat? Loss of pasture land. What would happen to that land? Could you guarantee a lower carbon footprint? I doubt it. If it went back to rewilding natural herbivores would graze replacing the sheep that are now banned. Turn it over to grain?
I think the underlying problem here might be that there are 8,000,000,000 of us, and we all need to eat. If we didn't eat cows and sheep, we'd eat whatever there was. Without a drastic reduction in our need for, and consumption of, food, I don't think any meaningful eco-positive progress can/will be made in this 👆 area of concern?

Of course, we could always choose the 'Soylent Green' path?
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Pattern-chaser wrote: April 19th, 2022, 8:53 am
Sculptor1 wrote: April 19th, 2022, 8:41 am What would the world be like if you banned meat? Loss of pasture land. What would happen to that land? Could you guarantee a lower carbon footprint? I doubt it. If it went back to rewilding natural herbivores would graze replacing the sheep that are now banned. Turn it over to grain?
I think the underlying problem here might be that there are 8,000,000,000 of us, and we all need to eat. If we didn't eat cows and sheep, we'd eat whatever there was. Without a drastic reduction in our need for, and consumption of, food, I don't think any meaningful eco-positive progress can/will be made in this 👆 area of concern?

Of course, we could always choose the 'Soylent Green' path?
Soylent Green would not be the most efficient way to the solution - which it does suggest. And that is reduction in the population. Population growth rated have already recently dropped, we just need to go further and get into negative growth. More is not better. Human happiness would best be served were there more room and better food for everyone. We absolutely do already have the technology to feed everyone.
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Sculptor1 wrote: April 19th, 2022, 9:38 am We absolutely do already have the technology to feed everyone.
Agreed. But can the ecosystem stand it, in the long term? 🤔 [If we have a 'long term'?]
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Sculptor1 wrote: April 19th, 2022, 9:38 am
Pattern-chaser wrote: April 19th, 2022, 8:53 am
Sculptor1 wrote: April 19th, 2022, 8:41 am What would the world be like if you banned meat? Loss of pasture land. What would happen to that land? Could you guarantee a lower carbon footprint? I doubt it. If it went back to rewilding natural herbivores would graze replacing the sheep that are now banned. Turn it over to grain?
I think the underlying problem here might be that there are 8,000,000,000 of us, and we all need to eat. If we didn't eat cows and sheep, we'd eat whatever there was. Without a drastic reduction in our need for, and consumption of, food, I don't think any meaningful eco-positive progress can/will be made in this 👆 area of concern?

Of course, we could always choose the 'Soylent Green' path?
Soylent Green would not be the most efficient way to the solution - which it does suggest. And that is reduction in the population. Population growth rated have already recently dropped, we just need to go further and get into negative growth. More is not better. Human happiness would best be served were there more room and better food for everyone. We absolutely do already have the technology to feed everyone.
Correct. And the most efficient way to do that is educating (and supporting) women and girls.
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Pursuing green policies is good. But, if consumption does not ebb then, blackouts and blame. Bigger SUV’s more electrical aids and more consumption is the people’s demand. No more washing the dishes by hand and the clothes in the river. No more lines to hang. How about cool air in the summer? That’s a big ticket. It is what it is. If it is about generation then it will be about price and only the rich will have it. So, no more power tools and fancy kitchens. Big bathrooms, giant tubs and showers. No more farming machinery and, move people to the fields. Maybe, nuclear is an option or maybe not.
France is back to nuclear and selling the energy. Living with the threat of disaster was helped by the Russian threat of nuclear weapons and this is better than buying the energy from some coal burning plant across the Mediterranean. For others, I am sure women will not go to the river today. It will be a men’s job. Reality check.
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Pattern-chaser wrote: April 19th, 2022, 12:26 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: April 19th, 2022, 9:38 am We absolutely do already have the technology to feed everyone.
Agreed. But can the ecosystem stand it, in the long term? 🤔 [If we have a 'long term'?]
I think for the long term we would certainly need fewer people or a much more simple and less energy burning and recourse using life.
I think the 20thC will, in the future, be looked on as a naive and unusual period in which we thought ourselves invulnerable and consequence free.
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LuckyR wrote: April 19th, 2022, 1:55 pm
Sculptor1 wrote: April 19th, 2022, 9:38 am
Pattern-chaser wrote: April 19th, 2022, 8:53 am
Sculptor1 wrote: April 19th, 2022, 8:41 am What would the world be like if you banned meat? Loss of pasture land. What would happen to that land? Could you guarantee a lower carbon footprint? I doubt it. If it went back to rewilding natural herbivores would graze replacing the sheep that are now banned. Turn it over to grain?
I think the underlying problem here might be that there are 8,000,000,000 of us, and we all need to eat. If we didn't eat cows and sheep, we'd eat whatever there was. Without a drastic reduction in our need for, and consumption of, food, I don't think any meaningful eco-positive progress can/will be made in this 👆 area of concern?

Of course, we could always choose the 'Soylent Green' path?
Soylent Green would not be the most efficient way to the solution - which it does suggest. And that is reduction in the population. Population growth rated have already recently dropped, we just need to go further and get into negative growth. More is not better. Human happiness would best be served were there more room and better food for everyone. We absolutely do already have the technology to feed everyone.
Correct. And the most efficient way to do that is educating (and supporting) women and girls.
Giving reproductive control to women is working very well in many contexts across the developing world, as it has in the West since the advent of the "pill".
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Giving of reproductive power to women depends on women's economic and political power. Girls and boys need early years education in good nursery schools when parents can't provide it. Girls and boys both need tertiary education.Universal education is key to so much!
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