Ok, fair enough.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 11:18 amI never said I believe in a One Mind concept. Different Ideas are just fine when considering Conscious Experience, but if you are agreeing with Kaku that Thermostats have some kind of Conscious Experience then as I said before you have to make the argument in some way, and somehow. I need more than just you or Kaku saying it. In my way of thinking, it is an Incoherent starting point to think that Thermostats are slightly Conscious. What does that even mean. If Thermostats are slightly Conscious then that could only be realized after we get the first Clue about what a Human Conscious Experience might be.Sy Borg wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 10:38 pmNo matter how often you correct the straw man misrepresentation, it is simply repeated. This happens too often.Pattern-chaser wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 11:14 am🤣 No, I don't want to play games, nor do I want to 'debate', if by that you mean point-scoring, winner/loser, debate. I would like to understand your position, which makes little sense to me.SteveKlinko wrote: ↑April 2nd, 2022, 7:52 am So in your Mind I have to defend that Thermostats are not Conscious, rather than you Explaining how they are Conscious. You don't want to debate, you just want to play games.
I don't believe that we can describe a thermostat as 'conscious', unless we are indulging in really esoteric, spiritual, discussion, which (I think) is a different subject to what we are discussing here. So we are in agreement there.
Steve, since you clearly do not understand what is being said, all you have offered are straw men and your single speculative hypothesis about the One Mind.
Given that all hypotheses regarding the overall nature of consciousness have flaws - yes, even yours - it's worth exploring different ideas and seeing where they lead.
Still, I would not discount an idea on the basis of who says it.
I think of reactivity as a continuum of reaction complexity. What we think of as "consciousness" would be just a sliver on that continuum, just as visible light is just a sliver of the EM spectrum.
Like many continua in nature, there are some emergences along the way of the complexity of reactivity continuum. Humans mentality is one of those emergences, but complexity of reactivity still occurs as a continuum. Some reactions are very simple, eg. iron turning to rust, and some are extremely complex, eg. thoughts.