What happens to us when we die?

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Time is just a measurement. Since it is “now” everywhere in the universe, no matter where one may travel, it will always be “now”. One may measure back from now or forward from now, but travelling through a measurement does not seem possible.

Our sense of time is subjective. It passes very quickly when having fun and yet very slowly in moments of great stress like just before an accident or when dying.

What happens to us when we live, is half the answer to what happens to us when we die. Breath goes in and breath goes out, cells die and cells regenerate. It is a balancing act, which comes to a close with an exhale but no inhale.
Even though you can see me, I might not be here.
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philoreaderguy wrote: April 14th, 2007, 3:14 pm What happens to us when we die? What do you think happens? What do you want to happen?
Well i don't know for sure but I've been developing an idea of what is it that happens. This involves a form of reincarnation called re-birth. The only consciousness experience is the sense of existing, and the only experience consciousness has is death and re-birth, it's a never ending cycle of death and re-birth. In between the death and rebirth you come to the realization that the life you lived simply did not exist and since there was no thing that was born to begin with, there is simply no death. The person you were was simply a tale that consciousness told itself in order to re assure its on existence.

The story is always the same, There's an experience of a birth, it grows up, gets married, has a family and finally dies and repeats that same story through out eternity as different re-incarnations of people. The reason it feels like the first time for your is because every time the re-birth happens you have no memories of your previous life. The very definition of insanity is repeating the same process expecting a different outcome.
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CylindricalParadox wrote: August 4th, 2020, 7:52 pm
philoreaderguy wrote: April 14th, 2007, 3:14 pm What happens to us when we die? What do you think happens? What do you want to happen?
Well i don't know for sure but I've been developing an idea of what is it that happens. This involves a form of reincarnation called re-birth. The only consciousness experience is the sense of existing, and the only experience consciousness has is death and re-birth, it's a never ending cycle of death and re-birth. In between the death and rebirth you come to the realization that the life you lived simply did not exist and since there was no thing that was born to begin with, there is simply no death. The person you were was simply a tale that consciousness told itself in order to re assure its on existence.

The story is always the same, There's an experience of a birth, it grows up, gets married, has a family and finally dies and repeats that same story through out eternity as different re-incarnations of people. The reason it feels like the first time for your is because every time the re-birth happens you have no memories of your previous life. The very definition of insanity is repeating the same process expecting a different outcome.
Would the reincarnations of a consciousness include reincarnating into people who have previously lived? There can be difference between one consciousness and another only if the consciousness takes an object of consciousness.
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Belindi wrote: August 13th, 2020, 6:34 pm
CylindricalParadox wrote: August 4th, 2020, 7:52 pm

Well i don't know for sure but I've been developing an idea of what is it that happens. This involves a form of reincarnation called re-birth. The only consciousness experience is the sense of existing, and the only experience consciousness has is death and re-birth, it's a never ending cycle of death and re-birth. In between the death and rebirth you come to the realization that the life you lived simply did not exist and since there was no thing that was born to begin with, there is simply no death. The person you were was simply a tale that consciousness told itself in order to re assure its on existence.

The story is always the same, There's an experience of a birth, it grows up, gets married, has a family and finally dies and repeats that same story through out eternity as different re-incarnations of people. The reason it feels like the first time for your is because every time the re-birth happens you have no memories of your previous life. The very definition of insanity is repeating the same process expecting a different outcome.
Would the reincarnations of a consciousness include reincarnating into people who have previously lived? There can be difference between one consciousness and another only if the consciousness takes an object of consciousness.

It's possible that you reincarnated in different moments in time. There's people who say that they remember their past lives but i don't think this is true because of amnesia at re birth and the other thing is that you have and will experience every single life that has and will ever exist. So this means that you have already been every single person that has ever existed. Its one consciousness that forgets its one consciousness and pretends to be the persona. This is what they mean that we are all one mind.

The persona is different but the consciousness is always the same, in the sense that you will always refer yourself as the I or the me. So it really doesn't matter if you remember your previous life or not because to you, your next re-birth will seem like the first time you have ever existed. In a way enlightenment is like re-discovering that which you forgot in your previous incarnation, enlightenment can happen while you're alive or when you die. If it happens when you die, the realization that you were never the body or the person is realized, you realize that the story of your life was not real, it was a dream and since there was never anything real to be born then there's nothing real that can die.
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CylindricalParadox wrote: August 14th, 2020, 4:21 pm
Belindi wrote: August 13th, 2020, 6:34 pm

Would the reincarnations of a consciousness include reincarnating into people who have previously lived? There can be difference between one consciousness and another only if the consciousness takes an object of consciousness.

It's possible that you reincarnated in different moments in time. There's people who say that they remember their past lives but i don't think this is true because of amnesia at re birth and the other thing is that you have and will experience every single life that has and will ever exist. So this means that you have already been every single person that has ever existed. Its one consciousness that forgets its one consciousness and pretends to be the persona. This is what they mean that we are all one mind.

The persona is different but the consciousness is always the same, in the sense that you will always refer yourself as the I or the me. So it really doesn't matter if you remember your previous life or not because to you, your next re-birth will seem like the first time you have ever existed. In a way enlightenment is like re-discovering that which you forgot in your previous incarnation, enlightenment can happen while you're alive or when you die. If it happens when you die, the realization that you were never the body or the person is realized, you realize that the story of your life was not real, it was a dream and since there was never anything real to be born then there's nothing real that can die.
But God Himself who is eternal could not be conscious without being conscious of an object of consciousness. In modern parlance, consciousness includes information source which is either memory or ongoing-incoming. If information source is absent the subject is unconscious.
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If I define me as an object in Space, then I have determined the existence of space and I have concluded that I am an object in the immaterial since space is immaterial unless it is not.
I could also say that I am the Experience of the object in Time. Time is the feeling I experienced.
I could then say I am the experiences and feelings in the space/time. (both immaterial)
I could also say I am an object in the space/time. How could both be true?
It may be that the object’s nature is immaterial.
I had attached my immaterial feelings to Time.
If one is the same as the other, then I have attached my feelings to Space and
I have attached myself/object to Time. I exist as the immaterial in the Time/Space.
If I say the object of myself, I could say I am the message in the object as I am the message of my DNA. As immaterial exist so does the material. But what is existence? It may be more than the process of the immaterial to material.; it could also be the process of the material to the immaterial.
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We assumed that we are an object in the space/time. If the space/time is a parametric value, then the object/me is travelling along this continuum. The continuum is one of change. Space is expanding and changing. I am an object moving on my own space/time reality within the space/time continuum. The idea of present time is one to ponder. What is present time in the space/time continuum? I am a proportional variable never achieving the speed of inflation. My lifetime will be encapsulated in one single value of the space/time continuum. At the time of inception, I was in the present of the space/time and in the next moment I was not. The moment of my birth is carried in the present of the space/time continuum and the moment of my death is in the past.
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Post death is a function of previous life. If you've remained relatively stupid and marginally useful during your life, you will simply revert to an unconscious state and awaken, unconscious, into another human body.

If you've not taken proper advantage of life in the USA, spent most of it watching TV, I hope that you will be consigned to fun life in Africa, China, or North Korea.

If you used the resources available to expand your mind, you might return with a chance of expanding it further.

Ideally, if you expanded your mind to some tangible limit, you will continue to exist and remain conscious without a body, according to your natural state of being.

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ignoranceizbliss wrote: November 27th, 2007, 2:01 am Actually you can talk to the dead.
How?
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Nihilistic one wrote: June 5th, 2021, 3:41 am
ignoranceizbliss wrote: November 27th, 2007, 2:01 am Actually you can talk to the dead.
How?
Quite normally, in fact. They just don't talk back.
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