Belinda is one good example in this forum. In the past she understood the truth there is evil within Islam but now seemingly has turned around to be an Islamic apologist as with many others.
I have tried to find out for myself why Islam is in trouble. I have explained in detail the reasons that Islam is good , and the reasons that all religions are politicised.
If you are not relying on the details and exact contexts of the 6236 verses in the Quran, your reasons and conclusions are not credible at all.
Buddhism was once politicized but there were no terrible evils from Buddhist theocracy. Christianity was politicized, but the terrible evils were committed by Christians who went against Jesus' teachings. The critical element is the ethos and the evil elements within the holy texts of the religion. Other than Judaism (OT), Islam is the religion that has highest tons of malignant elements in its holy texts and there is nothing to stop SOME Muslims to commit the god sanction evil acts.
I am doing a detailed analysis of every of the 6236 verses in the Quran. So far I noted 2497 or 40% of the verses contain some sort of negativity directed at non-believers in degrees of evil ranging from mild to very serious.
Examples of a few of the worst amongst the 40% of evil laden verses;
2: 191. And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.
9:23. O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong doers.
9: 29. Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
9:123. O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).
However one must read all the 2497 verses to get an idea of how horrible it is in when taken in totality. When one reads the Quran with the widespread negativity against non-believers one can sense the hatred that is building up within oneself. Fortunately I am objective, but for the threatened sensitive believers it will be real hatred turning to rage for some.
I will be analyzing this 2497 or 40% of verses further in various degree of evilness. There's are another lot of appx 20% of verses which is also presented as negative and a threat to Muslims. These are the verses related to the stories re the Torah and Gospels. Thus 60% of the Quran is directed negatively [in various degree] toward non-believers.
Generally, these 2497 or 40% of verses condemn non-believers as if they are a piece of sh:t with the sanction of Allah to subdue, oppress and kill them if necessary. With this 40% negativity within the Quran how can you counter that Islam per se is good, given that SOME (out of 20% = 300 millions) Muslims are actually committing terrible evils around the world at present.
Also non-believers are posed as a serious threat to Muslims' ability to fulfill their passage to heaven. This is why SOME Muslims are so hell bent on killing non-believers wherever they have the opportunity, and their passage to heaven is expedited and rewards increased if they kill non-believers.
I repeat, once again, that religions in their pure form cannot compete with agrarian societies or money-based societies. Nevertheless religions including Islam do carry the ethical message which, simplified , is the Golden rule or variants thereof.
While the Golden Rule is explicit in the NT, it is not in the Quran. Show me where is the Golden Rule in the Quran? There is not even one verse that show an unqualified empathy or compassion to non-believers. The only time it happen is when mercy [not empathy] to non-believers are subdued or displayed submission.
I am an apologist for Prophet Muhammad, if you like. His historicity may be doubted, but even if he were entirely mythical he remains a worthy prophet. It seems to have escaped Spectrum's notice that I have used scholarly sources for what I wrote. I would welcome a more reliable historical perspective from Spectrum.
Those you rely upon, i.e. Karen Armstrong, 'No Non-sense ...' are Islamic apologists. What you get from them are very bias views. I have suggested you read up the Quran [its only 6236 verses] and make your views on Islam from it nearest available original. Non of the Islamic apologist will take note of the nearly 60% of negative laden verses against non-believers in the Quran. For the worst ones they will argue one must read them in context. Note I highlighted how the 'No nonsense Islam' book misinterpreted a verse to suit their propaganda earlier.
Many of the people who use Philosophy club are not readers, and some of those who are readers don't read scholarly books. I recommended The No-Nonsense Guide To Islambecause it is mercifully short , honestly sourced, and as entertaining as serious information can be. Apparently nobody has read even this simple source book. It is probably available free to order from public libraries.
I stated I read it partly from google-book and pick out an error. I suggested it would be better to rely on the Quran instead of bias secondary texts from Islamist apologists.
Btw, you converted to Islam?
-- Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:32 am --
Spectrum wrote:What is the cause of this new trend?
IMO, the reason is because the world has been too apologetic with Islam instead of dealing with its truths. Obama [representing the supposedly most powerful nation] is one big culprit when he indirectly displayed subservience to Islam.
This sounds like a spoon fed political position. Probably straight from the Jar of a republican spin doctor. I don't 100% disagree with you (in that I would have handled situations in a different manner) but what specifically are you saying he did wrong? Also surely you can also accept that Bush Jr also made some huge errors that contributed strongly to the current issues.
I am not from the US, thus not into its dualist politics. I am speaking as a concerned citizen of humanity in relation to the terrible evils that is committed by SOME Muslims all over the world.
As I had said, the first thing Obama did after he became President was to appease and implicitly kowtow to Islam. By letting go of the leash, SOME Muslims went wild and the result is what is happening to day. There are many other factors [eagerness in getting rid of Middle East dictators too soon] that contribute the current evils from Islamists but Obama's [representing the most powerful nation] subservience is a significant contributing factor.
What Bush Jr. did was right and effective in curbing the wanton surge of extreme Islamism but unfortunately it was costly in terms of money and human lives. If the US had not got out of Iraq, ISIS would not have been able to capture >50% of Iraq to gain the moral support it had today. Obama should not have been so quick in getting out of Iraq.
Not-a-theist. Religion is a critical necessity for humanity now, but not the FUTURE.