Belinda wrote:Spectrum wrote:
My current focus on the Quran's 6236 verses is because it is the pivot of Islam.
It is the "pivot of Islam" for most Muslims, is a credible guess.
It is not a guess but an objective inference based on what I have read throughout many years of Muslims' assertions.
The Quran is the only and closest link between a Muslim and his God. If anything is not from the Quran or extended from it, then it is the words and intents of Satan. Every Muslims' act is directly and indirectly related back to the Quran, i.e. the words of God as delivered through Muhammad.
Can you prove otherwise?
I don't think you are up to date with the thoughts and facts about Islam and Muslims since the religion emerge till the present age.
The Quran was not aimed at you, Spectrum. It was aimed at Muslims who at the time of Muhammad's receiving of the Quran were real people of their time and place. You are not one of those people, Spectrum. Your posts reveal you to be under the same illusion as modern Muslims for whom " the pivot of Islam" is the Quran and Hadith and only the Quran and Hadith, fundamentally , and uninterpreted in the realities of present day problems.
Whilst the Quran is for the guidance of Muslims, the Quran is also definitely aiming at me as a disbeliever.
From the perspective of the Quran, every disbeliever is target for conversion, to be subdued or killed. [sub][/sub]The Quran contains 2567 [out of 6236] or 41% of verses condemning and insulting me as a disbeliever and that I should be killed if necessary, especially so when I am criticizing Islam. This is one reason why non-Muslims are killed as if like swatted flies all over the world.
What is odd is you don't seem to sense any empathy and compassion for innocent non-Muslims but rather direct your attention to placating and defending Muslims instead. [Note 80% of Muslims are good people, but they is not the critical threat to humanity.] I think the terrorizing strategy of Islamists on humanity has worked very effectively on you.
The Quran is claimed to be the Eternal Message from God to mankind
al-islam.org/excerpts-from-the-holy-qur ... holy-quran
Moreover, you are so fundamentally literal in your interpretation of the Quran that you make a ledger of good and bad and reckon the Quran to be fundamentally bad. In doing so you miss the Quran's very long-lasting message that affects all people of goodwill in this day and age. Both the Christian core message and Islam's identical core message has survived as if part of the cargo on a filthy, leaky ,rusty, old ship.
I did not deny there are good things from Quran and Islam as with other religions. Note my signature below.
I acknowledge Islam is still a net-positive thing to humanity in in various aspects of life but that net-positive is very marginal in the present circumstance. We are at a plateau where the contribution of Islam is turning net-negative very soon and this is because Islam has very malignant elements within itself. This is not a speculation as one can read of the terrible evils that are committed by SOME Muslims all over the world.
It is because of this evidence based impending threat of net-negativity from Islam that drive me to find out the proximate root causes. To find these root causes, one must go to the roots, i.e. the Quran, the Hadiths, the Sunnah, as priority and
everything else associated with Islam and Muslims.
Spectrum, you might be able to appreciate goodness even when it is mixed up with badness.
I have always claimed that problem-solving techniques are my forte. When good is mixed with evil, one has to analyze both and weigh their net effects in the past, present and the future. I anticipate there will be more worse evils than good from Islam in the future. The contribution from Islam [by SOME Muslims] is already very bad at the present and it will go worse based on the surge of the inherently evil ethos within the religion of Islam.
The odd thing is whilst you are aggressive in being a Muslim apologist, you decline to read and understand (not necessary agree) with Islam most critical source, i.e. the Quran. I suggest strongly that you read the Quran with serious efforts to ensure your views on Islam and Muslims are more credible and of substance.
-- Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:37 pm --
Belinda, while waiting for you to read the Quran, here's Chapter 1 and 1 (part) for your review.
Hope you read them thoroughly. Right from the beginning, the Quran is already cultivating hatred against non-believers as a threat to their salvation. [note 1:4] There are already 22 verses i.e. 63% out of 35 condemning and inculcating hatred for non-believers from the word go.
What are your views on these?
Note there are 2567 verses in similar tone against non-believers in the Quran.
If you understand the psychological impact of these verses against the threat of their salvation, you will understand why SOME Muslims go all the way to get rid of the threat by acting literally in the killing of non-believers as sanctioned.
Surah 1, THE OPENING 1. In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful
2. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
3. The Beneficent, the Merciful.
4. Owner of the Day of Judgment,
5. Thee (alone) we worship; Thee alone we ask for help.
6. Show us the Straight Path,
7. The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not (the path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who astray.
Surah 2. Al-Baqara 1. Alif. Lam. Mim.
2. This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).
3. Who believe in the unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;
4. And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter.
5. These depend on guidance from their Lord. These are the successful.
6. As for the disbelievers, whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
7. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.
8. And of mankind are some who say: We believe in Allah and the Last Day, when they believe not.
9. They think to beguile [to influence by trickery, flattery, etc.; mislead; delude.] Allah and those who believe, and they beguile none save themselves; but they perceive not.
10. In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom theirs because they lie.
11. And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only.
12. Are not they indeed the mischief makers? But they perceive not.
13. And when it is said unto them: Believe as the people believe, they say: Shall we believe as the foolish believe? Are not they indeed the foolish? But they know not.
14. And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe; but when they go apart to their devils they declare: Lo! we are with you; verily we did but mock.
15. Allah (Himself) doth mock them, leaving them to wander blindly on in their contumacy.
16. These are they who purchase error at the price of guidance, so their commerce doth not prosper, neither are they guided.
17. Their likeness is as the likeness of one who kindleth fire, and when it sheddeth its light around him Allah taketh away their light and leaveth them in darkness, where they cannot see,
18. Deaf, dumb and blind; and they return not
19. Or like a rainstorm from the sky, wherein is darkness, thunder and the flash of lightning. They thrust their fingers in their ears by reason of the thunder-claps, for fear of dead Allah encompasseth the disbelievers (in His guidance).
20. The lightning almost snatcheth away their sight from them. As often as it flasheth forth for them they walk therein, and when it darkeneth against them they stand still. If Allah willed, He could destroy their hearing and their sight Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.
21. O mankind! Worship your Lord, Who hath created you and those before you, so that ye may ward off (evil).
22. Who hath appointed the earth a resting-place for you, and the sky a canopy; and causeth water to pour down from the sky, thereby producing fruits as food for you. And do not set up rivals to Allah when ye know (better).
23. And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a sura or the like thereof, and call your witnesses beside Allah if ye are truthful. [Pg] 2
24. And if ye do it not and ye can never do it - then guard yourselves against the fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is of men and stones.25. And give glad tidings (O Muhammad) unto those who believe and do good works; that theirs are Gardens underneath which rivers flow; as often as they are regaled with food of the fruit thereof, they say: This is what was given us aforetime; and it is given to them in resemblance. There for them are pure companions; there for ever they abide.
26. Lo! Allah disdaineth not to coin the similitude even of a gnat. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord; but those who disbelieve say: What doth Allah wish (to teach) by such a similitude? He misleadeth many thereby, and He guideth many thereby; and He misleadeth thereby only miscreants;
27. Those who break the covenant of Allah after ratifying it and sever that which Allah ordered to be joined, and (who) make mischief in the earth: Those are they who are the losers
28. How disbelieve ye in Allah when ye were dead and He gave life to you! Then he will give you death, then life again, and then unto Him ye will return.