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I guess I felt that your comments stood (or fell) on their own merits and didn't see the point in the de facto self sabotage of your preamble.
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I think that suicide is an amoral action, that may or may not have moral consequences... For instance, imagine a recluse, living by himself in the wilderness, no living relatives, no friends, the guy is utterly alone and has been for decades and he is in prefect health. In the event that he commits suicide, how could we justify labeling his suicide as either moral or immoral? Good, bad, right or wrong? How could he even label it himself as either moral or immoral? It can be a coldly rationalized philosophical conclusion reached through a sound logical process...
Here' I don't think it makes sense to imply any notions of ethics of morality regarding this case. Because there's no one else involved. To me, morality implicitly conveys a notion of "other" in one way or another... I think morality makes no sense when "soliloquized" by a Bozeman brain existing in his own otherwise empty universe, so to speak... It can only have moral implications, when at least one "other" is involved, in one way or another, be it family, friends, jail guard, tormentor, whatever... I think that "Morality" is, in a very deep sense, rooted in our genetically programmed gregariousness...
That is why I think that if any others are involved, suicide can be a "morally charged" action, that can only express its charge, in others... They may care about you existing for whatever reason, they might be impacted by your decision to act or not on this, they may express that charge as Immoral if they experience loss or pain, but if they understand the process by which you came to conclude that the time was now and the means yourself, they may express that charge as moral or fitting that the choice be yours and yours alone...
I define myself as an absurdist, not exactly like Camus but close enough, I agree with the basics of nihilism. In a way, I'm still alive right now because I chose to commit "suicide by existence", kind of a "suicide by cops'... See, I had no choice but to exist, it was imposed on me and I have no choice but to cease to exist at some point, this is also imposed on me... So as the outcome was set before I even knew I had begun, the only choices I can possibly make are when (now or not) and how (by myself or not)... And this question is continuously asked, like a loop, deep within the inner sub-routines of my consciousness. It just so happens that I'm, for the moment, continuously answering "not" to both question, for completely subjective reasons and I'm fine with it...
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